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#1 User is offline   kfay 

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Posted 2010-October-21, 23:45



You're in 6
Lead is the Q.
Your plan?
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Posted 2010-October-22, 02:59

waaa, didn't you have a slam played by jason where yuo were gonna tell us the right line? don't be lazy please! :P


I Cannot find any endplay on this hand, not even a semielimination, so it is all about spades, running the 7 then finese the queen seems to pick all stiff honnors behind with the addition of J10 onside, however it might fail when K10 or KJ are stiff behind but sounts lie a good exchange for Kxx and J10x onside.
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Posted 2010-October-22, 04:29

 kfay, on 2010-October-21, 23:45, said:

You're in 6. Lead is the Q. Your plan?
IMO ruff, QKA, finesse 8.
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Posted 2010-October-22, 09:17

The first line is the straightforward spade play - running the 7 is 62.5%.

Line 2 involves stripping the hand out and playing A, low . This picks up the doubleton Kings (28%) + stiff K's (5.6% (I just was working with combos with 5 out so I know this one), plus the two JT dubs (6.6%). Lets say an opponent forgets to unblock Jx 1/3 of the time (YMMV), so thats about another 9% or so. I I'll give this line a little under 50.

The third line is to strip out the hand and exit a low spade from hand. This gives us back all of the hands where the spade finesse is on, stiff K off, KJ off, KJT off, the two KJTx's off, as well as KJTxx off. It also works with J and T stiff onside. Anything I'm missing? I'm putting this around 71%

I'll go for door number 3.

(edit: all this assumes trump are 2-1). If they are 3-0, I need to go for #1.
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Posted 2010-October-22, 09:31

 Phil, on 2010-October-22, 09:17, said:

(edit: all this assumes trump are 2-1).

I think you need trumps 1-1.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2010-October-22, 10:38

I don't see any elimination play either. We have too few trumps. So I agree with Fluffy. Best spade play is starting with a deep finesse for JT.
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Posted 2010-October-22, 13:17

 mfa1010, on 2010-October-22, 10:38, said:

I don't see any elimination play either. We have too few trumps. So I agree with Fluffy. Best spade play is starting with a deep finesse for JT.


phil's semi elimination requires LHO to have stiff jack of trumps or to make a sporting falsecard from Jx and you discover early enough if he has it, to fall back on the normal spade hooks if he doesn't oblige
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Posted 2010-October-22, 13:28

 wank, on 2010-October-22, 13:17, said:

phil's semi elimination requires LHO to have stiff jack of trumps or to make a sporting falsecard from Jx and you discover early enough if he has it, to fall back on the normal spade hooks if he doesn't oblige

I still don't see how that works?!
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Posted 2010-October-22, 14:23

 gnasher, on 2010-October-22, 09:31, said:

I think you need trumps 1-1.


Funny when you spend 10 minutes on a problem and then see the obvious. The elimination would be nice if we had an extra trump. Alas...
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Posted 2010-October-22, 17:40

I would play the ace of spades from hand, catering to KJ, KT, or K offsides. If a J or T pops from , I'll lead a 2nd round of spades from dummy, planning on covering RHO's card. This only loses when all lines would fail, or when LHO has JT tight and RHO doesn't pop king on the 2nd round edit: (or, of course, JTx onside...hmmm)
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