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1 bidding problem, 1 play problem

#21 User is offline   gwnn 

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Posted 2010-October-21, 07:18

Perhaps I didn't make myself clear: I didn't name that thread to ask you about the decision, I was talking about opps bidding 4 over 4. I quoted jlall mostly to illustrate that the better the opps, the looser they become in bidding 4 over 4. But OK, going into details:

In the first auction opener already bid 1 telling partner of 5 spades yet many experts would routinely bid 4 over 4 with pretty much every 6-4 they have (and was worth opening). Note that if the 1NT contains 3 cards in a limit raise he would definitely bid 4 over 4 so opener is catering to the case where 1NT has 2 card support.

In the second auction it is the first chance to bid spades and the diamond bidder could have between 0 and 4 spades and will definitely not bid spades with the favourable case of 3-4. I disagree with you that in this case you need substantially better/longer spades than the first case to bid 4.

So overall I think we differ on the question what class of hands the 4 bidder will hold. I think it changes the parameters of the 5 level pull a lot. And I suggest we agree to disagree :).
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Posted 2010-October-21, 08:04

Not sure if its because the new forum format, but trying to understand Rayner's arguments gave me a headache.

Did he suggest any other action rather than double 4?
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Posted 2010-October-21, 09:52

View PostFluffy, on 2010-October-21, 08:04, said:

Not sure if its because the new forum format, but trying to understand Rayner's arguments gave me a headache.

Did he suggest any other action rather than double 4?


No, I suggested that opener should haver removed the DBL to 5.
I would always dbl with the given hand 4, but I would not pass with opener's hand. (neither would I have opened 1, but the vast majority would. I explained that in a previous post)

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Posted 2010-October-21, 14:17

Ah, I missed there was a partner's hand avaible, he has a close decision high ODR but low power.
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