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Posted 2010-October-18, 10:33

Axx Jxx Axx QJ10x

MP again

Partner (who opens light 11-counts) opens 1 and your RHO overcalls 1.

Part I:

What do you bid? Seems like double, 2, 2NT, 1NT, 3NT, or 2 (limit+ with support) are options.

Part II:

If you opt for 2, Advancer bids 3 and partner bids 4. What is this new development?
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Posted 2010-October-18, 11:03

Part I: At the risk of wrong siding, I will bid 1N the first round. 2 looks very wrong at MPs.

Part II: Partner's 4 should be a 5-6, and I am 100% sure your idol Kokish would agree. With a minimum 5-6 partner might open 1, so I would expect the diamonds to be a lot better than the hearts. void, Qxxxx, KQJxxx, Kx. I pass. Furthermore, partner can cue of 4 or 4 if interested in higher things.
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Posted 2010-October-18, 11:13

1. Vulnerability would be nice, but I would bid 2 in any case. I think this is safer than lying about the diamond fit and risking partner overcompeting. 1N, aside from wronsiding, seems to me to be taking underbidding at MP too far.

2. I pass. I disagree that partner could have done more (neither of 4 or 4 shows hearts) but my hand isn't all that great.
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Posted 2010-October-18, 11:47

I'd double, 5 over 4 because partner is sure to have 5+.
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Posted 2010-October-18, 15:46

I don't mind 2, I agree with karlson that 1NT is both wrongsiding and underbidding.

Pass now, but I realise it is possible that partner has made a contextually empathetic cue bid which I don't understand.
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Posted 2010-October-18, 16:30

Pass is possible if you really hate a limit bid in no trumps because of the potential wrong siding. Partner will bid again with most hands that can make game.

A bit more and the hand is perfect for 3 transfer to 3NT. Maybe 2 transfer to 2NT is worth considering as a 2-way bid either diamonds or trying to right side the NTs.
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Posted 2010-October-18, 16:41

kenrexford, on Oct 18 2010, 11:33 AM, said:

Axx Jxx Axx QJ10x

MP again

Partner (who opens light 11-counts) opens 1 and your RHO overcalls 1.

Part I:

What do you bid?  Seems like double, 2, 2NT, 1NT, 3NT, or 2 (limit+ with support) are options.

Part II:

If you opt for 2, Advancer bids 3 and partner bids 4.  What is this new development?

I'll try 2nt.

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Posted 2010-October-20, 06:11

I bid 4, which was taken as 6-5. In our system, 4 after diamond agreement would be kickback, but I felt that pursuing a 6-5 in competition was much less utilitarian than showing heart values for purposes of a diamond slam, a much more likely scenario, I thought. Maybe I need to take the charge on this one.
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Posted 2010-October-20, 06:44

View Postkenrexford, on 2010-October-20, 06:11, said:

I bid 4, which was taken as 6-5. In our system, 4 after diamond agreement would be kickback, but I felt that pursuing a 6-5 in competition was much less utilitarian than showing heart values for purposes of a diamond slam, a much more likely scenario, I thought. Maybe I need to take the charge on this one.


If you had mentioned that you play kickback but have no agreement about this sequence, I would have answered keycards to 4.
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