[Fluffy]

MPs, all vul.

♠8xx
♥K8x
♦x
♣AK109xx


1NT-2♠
3♣-3NT!
4♠


we very rarelly supper accept with 2NT, 3NT shown diamond shortness but not forcing, no further agreements

[MFA]

I pass although I would have liked to have a spade honour. I hope he has 5 or a strong 4-carder. 4♠ should clearly be natural.

[hanp]

This seems like a no-brainer.

[Zelandakh]

MFA, on Oct 9 2010, 01:52 PM, said:

I pass although I would have liked to have a spade honour. I hope he has 5 or a strong 4-carder. 4♠ should clearly be natural.

Really? So what would you bid with AKQ/QJ/xxxx/QJxx? This seem to me to be almost the only hand Opener can hold aside from adding the SJ for a small diamond. My first thought was 6C and it only gets better as I think about it - I would treat 4S as a hand with no diamond wastage and needing a heart control to make slam reasonable.

[hanp]

With that hand opener can bid 4C and then 4S.

Besides, you think that you are missing both red suit aces and you want to bid 6C?

[Zelandakh]

You are right han - I need to think about it some more. Even so, I do not see why 4S should be natural rather than a cue. Perhaps my thinking is clouded by my own preferred 1NT structures that bids hands like these in a different way.

[hanp]

It should be natural because you can do both: bid 4S if you want to suggest it as a contract, and bid 4C if you just want to cue.

[Fluffy]

partner had a monster

♠AKQ10x
♥Axx
♦9x
♣Qxx

LHO decided not to lead the obvious diamond, RHO would had done it for sure and since we were the only pair to play 4♠ from south we scored 94% anyway, but on a moe serious event missing this cold slam should be punnished more severelly.

[mike777]

Fluffy, on Oct 10 2010, 01:32 AM, said:

partner had a monster

♠AKQ10x
♥Axx
♦9x
♣Qxx

LHO decided not to lead the obvious diamond, RHO would had done it for sure and since we were the only pair to play 4♠ from south we scored 94% anyway, but on a moe serious event missing this cold slam should be punnished more severelly.

mmmmmmmmmmm



I open 1s...no problem yet

[whereagles]

It's MPs, so I'm surprised this is even a problem

Pard had 4♦ available if he wanted to do some more talking. Sure he might have the perfect hand, say

AKQxx
Axx
xxx
Qx

but on average our 7 losers are too much for slam.

EDIT: I put up the hand above before peeking at the 'solution' LOOOOL. I don't think you'd be "punished severely" for not bidding a slam most didn't find anyway eheh.

[MFA]

Fluffy, on Oct 10 2010, 08:32 AM, said:

partner had a monster

♠AKQ10x
♥Axx
♦9x
♣Qxx

He will get no badge of courage for that 4♠ bid. He is facing a partner who showed GF with clubs + short diamonds and who made an effort to do so instead of just blasting 3NT. That shouldn't be based on random soft rubbish, and there is a slam opposite ♣AKxxxx.

There is no way in this world (or in anyone else) that responder should try for slam over 4♠.

So the blame goes to ... opener!

[hanp]

Again agree with MFA.