[xx1943]

Scoring: IMP

North East South West
  ---    1♠  pass  pass
  2♣    2♦   ???

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3NT is not very attractive with stiff ♥A and 5♣ is a very long way. Opener is marked with ♠A and ♦A and may easily have a ♣ trick.
How do you explore the chances?

[P_Marlowe]

2NT - which would be some kind of good-bad, for us 2NT showes
at least inv. strength, p will bid the 3C relais, when holding a min.

Given that the 2C overcall occurred in the pass out seat, it is not
clear, that we have enough strength to make game anyway, lets
involve p.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[xx1943]

P_Marlowe, on Oct 8 2010, 12:02 PM, said:

2NT - which would be some kind of good-bad, for us 2NT showes
at least inv. strength, p will bid the 3C relais, when holding a min.

Given that the 2C overcall occurred in the pass out seat, it is not
clear, that we have enough strength to make game anyway, lets
involve p.

With kind regards
Marlowe

Hmhh;
2NT as good-bad in this situation is a nice idea.
But will partner be aware and not take the bid as natural?

Sorry I forgot the 2NT give as choice.

with kind regards
Al

[P_Marlowe]

xx1943, on Oct 8 2010, 05:18 AM, said:

P_Marlowe, on Oct 8 2010, 12:02 PM, said:

2NT - which would be some kind of good-bad, for us 2NT showes
at least inv. strength, p will bid the 3C relais, when holding a min.

Given that the 2C overcall occurred in the pass out seat, it is not
clear, that we have enough strength to make game anyway, lets
involve p.

With kind regards
Marlowe

Hmhh;
2NT as good-bad in this situation is a nice idea.
But will partner be aware and not take the bid as natural?

Sorry I forgot the 2NT give as choice.

with kind regards
Al

Hi,

of course 2NT (= Good Bad) is only an option, if you have agreed
to play it.

Assuming, you dont have the agreement, you should bid 2S, which
should show an inv.+ hand, highly implying a fit, the 3D cue gets you
passed 3C.

What ever you do, I would be reluctant to by pass 3C, and to hide the
club support.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[hotShot]

I would simply try 3NT (since 2NT is not an option)

Since both opps did not bid ♥ and partner also did not choose ♥, the ♥ should be evenly distributed or LHO has some ♥ length but the suit is bad and he lacks side entries, otherwise we could have bid something over 1♠.

[kgr]

2NT Natural invite.
(Partner can be weaker with his balancing bid)

[hrothgar]

I have at least 5, maybe as many as 7 defensive tricks in hand versus either a Diamond or a Spade contract. (Those pointy suit 10's are looking very nice)

I doubt that we make 5 Clubs.

3N could run into trouble if they start attacking hearts (though its tempting none-the-less)

Why am I not doubling?

[xx1943]

hrothgar, on Oct 8 2010, 02:21 PM, said:

I have at least 5, maybe as many as 7 defensive tricks in hand versus either a Diamond or a Spade contract. (Those pointy suit 10's are looking very nice)

I doubt that we make 5 Clubs.

3N could run into trouble if they start attacking hearts (though its tempting none-the-less)

Why am I not doubling?

you are right, I forgot the penalty double as choice

[MFA]

3NT. They are unlikely to be able to run hearts, since RHO with both pointed suits rates to be relatively short in hearts. 2NT is a huge underbid.

[bid_em_up]

hrothgar, on Oct 8 2010, 08:21 AM, said:

Why am I not doubling?

Who said I'm not?

[hanp]

Why is opener marked with both aces?

[pooltuna]

hrothgar, on Oct 8 2010, 07:21 AM, said:

I have at least 5, maybe as many as 7 defensive tricks in hand versus either a Diamond or a Spade contract. (Those pointy suit 10's are looking very nice)

I doubt that we make 5 Clubs.

3N could run into trouble if they start attacking hearts (though its tempting none-the-less)

Why am I not doubling?

because it is not a listed option and why "other" probably has 6 votes

[kayin801]

2♠, but I don't feel too strongly about it over X or 3NT. Partner forgot to X so while he could definitely still hold 4 hearts he is an underdog to do so, so NT, especially with our other opponent to make the lead from his sometimes 5+ heart holding might go down too often. And 2♠ doesn't preclude bidding NT or doubling them later. Also evidently your partners all balance on much better hands than mine do.

[hrothgar]

hanp, on Oct 8 2010, 05:01 PM, said:

Why is opener marked with both aces?

Is opener gaurunteed to hold both Aces? No.

Is opener highly likely to hold both Aces? Yes

[TimG]

I like double. I expect the opponents to run to hearts, but maybe partner can double that (I think he could still have four hearts) and if not I have at least started to describe my hand rather than taken a shot in the dark with 3N. When I cannot double 2H and instead bid 3C, I think partner will get a good picture of my hand.

[dake50]

I already had a bid over 1S to deny interest in hearts (that would be T/O dbl) and show middling points. Didn't do that and stuck here.
Partner did not double to get hearts in consideration, so I fear Dbl or 3C gets them into their better H-fit --maybe 4H.
I trust partner didn't 2C on 6-nothing, I try 3N.

[Fluffy]

I love double, partner will take it as take out, bid his hearts and take my later club bids as cuebids.

[hrothgar]

Fluffy, on Oct 8 2010, 06:51 PM, said:

I love double, partner will take it as take out, bid his hearts and take my later club bids as cuebids.

Find a new partner

[gszeszycki]

opps have at least 8 if not 9 hearts making nt from OUR side iffy at best since lho has the opp sheart length. My hand seems so well placed I am willing to gamble to the 4c level and the best way to do that is to start with a simple
2s

if p is totally minimum they will bid 3c and i will trot out my 3d bid telling them I am really looking for game and need some heart help. If P can bid 3n we should be fine if not we may have to gamble out 5c since its imps

no guesswork get partner involved in the decision making process.

[pooltuna]

hrothgar, on Oct 8 2010, 10:55 AM, said:

Fluffy, on Oct 8 2010, 06:51 PM, said:

I love double, partner will take it as take out, bid his hearts and take my later club bids as cuebids.

Find a new partner

you'll need one as your partner will hopefully RIP. Hope you are not the one accused of his murder