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#1 User is offline   rduran1216 

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Posted 2010-September-07, 23:58

MP none vul

Holding

AKQ9xx
xxx
K
AJx


you open 1S in first seat. LHO waits and bids 2H, and partner bids 3S, then pass

Do you raise to 4?

I'll add that partner is an unknown quantity and you have no gauge for his style.
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Posted 2010-September-08, 00:27

absolutely
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Posted 2010-September-08, 00:32

Hi,

since you have no cidea about partners style 4S is automatic,
you may even miss slam.

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Posted 2010-September-08, 00:39

pass would be a major crime.
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Posted 2010-September-08, 02:35

ofcourse I bid 4
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Posted 2010-September-08, 02:55

Uh oh, waiting for rduran to explain why 4S is bad...
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2010-September-08, 02:58

hanp, on Sep 8 2010, 09:55 AM, said:

Uh oh, waiting for rduran to explain why 4S is bad...

Green is a much nicer color perhaps?
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Posted 2010-September-08, 03:03

Yes please bid 4♠.
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Posted 2010-September-08, 08:48

rduran1216, on Sep 8 2010, 12:58 AM, said:

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Holding

AKQ9xx
xxx
K
AJx


you open 1S in first seat.  LHO waits and bids 2H, and partner bids 3S, then pass

Do you raise to 4?

I'll add that partner is an unknown quantity and you have no gauge for his style.

The alternative to 4♠ is not pass but a qbid(4♣) if you think partner might have a limit raise
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Posted 2010-September-08, 10:38

4♠ and going down when dummy and RHO both have 2 small hearts, RHO has the ♠J and dummy doesn't have the ♦A.
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Posted 2010-September-08, 22:00

I bid 4S immediately, my partner tabled

J10xx
xxx
Jxx
9xx


At the time I thought it was automatic, but with my 3 small hearts should I be concerned?

I think if my hand was

AKQ9xx
x
Kxx
AJx

Then I would be more comfortable with it.

Thoughts?
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Posted 2010-September-08, 22:08

hanp, on Sep 8 2010, 02:55 AM, said:

Uh oh, waiting for rduran to explain why 4S is bad...

yep. The actual 3S call is out of the realm of the possible --I hate questions where the conditions are not consistent with the hands.
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Posted 2010-September-08, 22:13

aguahombre, on Sep 8 2010, 11:08 PM, said:

hanp, on Sep 8 2010, 02:55 AM, said:

Uh oh, waiting for rduran to explain why 4S is bad...

yep. The actual 3S call is out of the realm of the possible --I hate questions where the conditions are not consistent with the hands.

I agree with this, I couldn't believe 3S could be 4333, but does my partner have to be short in hearts for his bid?
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Posted 2010-September-08, 23:58

partner should have a hand that resembles a 3♠ bid for a 3♠ bid imo.

and if he does, game is prob pretty good!
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Posted 2010-September-09, 00:33

rduran1216, on Sep 9 2010, 11:13 AM, said:

aguahombre, on Sep 8 2010, 11:08 PM, said:

hanp, on Sep 8 2010, 02:55 AM, said:

Uh oh, waiting for rduran to explain why 4S is bad...

yep. The actual 3S call is out of the realm of the possible --I hate questions where the conditions are not consistent with the hands.

I agree with this, I couldn't believe 3S could be 4333, but does my partner have to be short in hearts for his bid?

Not necessarily short in hearts, but not a 12 loser!!!! hand either.
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Posted 2010-September-09, 02:56

The_Hog, on Sep 9 2010, 06:33 AM, said:

rduran1216, on Sep 9 2010, 11:13 AM, said:

aguahombre, on Sep 8 2010, 11:08 PM, said:

hanp, on Sep 8 2010, 02:55 AM, said:

Uh oh, waiting for rduran to explain why 4S is bad...

yep. The actual 3S call is out of the realm of the possible --I hate questions where the conditions are not consistent with the hands.

I agree with this, I couldn't believe 3S could be 4333, but does my partner have to be short in hearts for his bid?

Not necessarily short in hearts, but not a 12 loser!!!! hand either.

There must be some sort of an adjustment for two Jacks! So it's more like 11.85 I would think :)
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Posted 2010-September-09, 05:01

gwnn, on Sep 9 2010, 09:56 AM, said:

The_Hog, on Sep 9 2010, 06:33 AM, said:

rduran1216, on Sep 9 2010, 11:13 AM, said:

aguahombre, on Sep 8 2010, 11:08 PM, said:

hanp, on Sep 8 2010, 02:55 AM, said:

Uh oh, waiting for rduran to explain why 4S is bad...

yep. The actual 3S call is out of the realm of the possible --I hate questions where the conditions are not consistent with the hands.

I agree with this, I couldn't believe 3S could be 4333, but does my partner have to be short in hearts for his bid?

Not necessarily short in hearts, but not a 12 loser!!!! hand either.

There must be some sort of an adjustment for two Jacks! So it's more like 11.85 I would think ;)

You have a 9th trump, that's 1 loser less... :)
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