[Apollo81]

hanp, on Aug 24 2010, 11:41 AM, said:

If you ask with 2NT, partner bids 3C, minimal with hearts.

LOL, i guess that means I was passing after 2♦-4♦-4♥.

[JLOGIC]

Apollo81, on Aug 24 2010, 02:27 PM, said:

hanp, on Aug 24 2010, 11:41 AM, said:

If you ask with 2NT, partner bids 3C, minimal with hearts.

LOL, i guess that means I was passing after 2♦-4♦-4♥.

You don't bid slam opposite a maximum with hearts then which seems bad. I don't really understand the benefit of your auction over starting with 2N.

[OleBerg]

hanp, on Aug 24 2010, 05:03 PM, said:

Our responses to 2NT are the standard responses:

3C = minimal with hearts
3D = minimal with spades
3H = maximal with spades
3S = maximal with diamonds.

3C and 3D by us would be forcing and natural.

4C asks partner to transfer to his suit, 4D asks partner to bid his suit, 3H and 4H are pass/correct and 6H is "to play".

This is all standard here and I don't have much experience or knowledge about later round auctions. Advice is much appreciated.

My advice would be:

When you bid 2NT, partners suit will be set as thrumphs. 3NT is still possible as a contract though.

[Fluffy]

ok now I see the follow ups, I try 3♦ over 3♣ and await something from partner.

[Free]

There's no standard, but playing the methods of Han is pretty much standard in Belgium and apparently the Netherlands as well.

When playing the so called "standard method" mentioned by Han, you can also play some relays:
2♦-2NT-3♣-3♦ (here 3♥ = min, rest max with shortness)
2♦-2NT-3♦-3♥ (same)
2♦-2NT-3♥-3♠ (same, but no min)

This is one of the reasons I even prefer 2♦-2NT-3M as min over this method, because you have more options when opener is max.

I'm not a fan of either method however, I prefer
3♣ = any max
3♦ = min with ♥ (now 3♥ signoff)
3♥ = min with ♠ (now 3♠ signoff)

After the 3♣ response, we continue as follows:
3♦ = relay, asks in case opener has ♥ (or ♠)
...3♥ = ♠s
......3♠ = relay
.........3NT+ = shortness
...3♠+ = ♥, shortness
3♥ = relay, asks in case opener has ♠ (no interest when ♥)
...3♠ = ♥
...3NT+ = ♠, shortness

This rightsides the M contract every time, lets us play 3M, and also lets us investigate when opener is max.

[hanp]

Partner had xx 109xxxx x AQJ10. The club finesse is off but the spade finesse is on, 6H makes.

[JLOGIC]

hanp, on Aug 25 2010, 10:21 AM, said:

Partner had xx 109xxxx x AQJ10. The club finesse is off but the spade finesse is on, 6H makes.

This is a minimum w/r??

[benlessard]

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This is a minimum w/r??

That why I say crap or not so crappy isntead of saying minimum or maximum when NV.

[Apollo81]

JLOGIC, on Aug 24 2010, 03:37 PM, said:

Apollo81, on Aug 24 2010, 02:27 PM, said:

hanp, on Aug 24 2010, 11:41 AM, said:

If you ask with 2NT, partner bids 3C, minimal with hearts.

LOL, i guess that means I was passing after 2♦-4♦-4♥.

You don't bid slam opposite a maximum with hearts then which seems bad. I don't really understand the benefit of your auction over starting with 2N.

You end up declarer in 6M and then opponents lead through partner's ♣Kx? It seems like there's a strong reason to make partner declarer somehow. Is there a systemic way to do this after he shows a min?

I was pretty much assuming he had spades. Guess I shouldn't be doing that since it's favorable.

[pooltuna]

JLOGIC, on Aug 25 2010, 02:30 PM, said:

hanp, on Aug 25 2010, 10:21 AM, said:

Partner had xx 109xxxx x AQJ10. The club finesse is off but the spade finesse is on, 6H makes.

This is a minimum w/r??

you are just upset about the robust ♥ suit

[effervesce]

I dislike 2♥ opening on that too. The hand has more playing strength than a simple weak 2♥, especially W/R. And more importantly, the hand is better described by passing first and then showing the two other suits.

[keylime]

I like 4♦ much more than I do 2NT.

Consider LHO coming in with a four level minor preempt over 2NT. Now you might steer them into a cheap game/sac, even at these negative colors.

[gnasher]

keylime, on Aug 26 2010, 06:18 PM, said:

I like 4♦ much more than I do 2NT.

Consider LHO coming in with a four level minor preempt over 2NT. Now you might steer them into a cheap game/sac, even at these negative colors.

We have a 20-count opposite a weak two, and the opponents are at adverse. I don't think we should worry too much about enemy intervention.

Anyway, who plays
  2♦ pass 2NT 4♣
as preemptive?

[hrothgar]

I'm torn on this one.

Punting 6♠ is really attractive... Even if we're off the AK of clubs, the opponents probably need to cash them off the top. A quick, informative auction to a plausible contract could very easily be better than a slow exploration that results in a lead directing double.

Balanced against this, getting partner to declare could be worth a lot, especially if he had the magic "two black Kings" construction.

I think that I'd punt it...

[keylime]

Gnasher,

Once never knows these days the acumen of bridge players. I personally play 4♣ as a good playing hand not preemptive in this seat. And, then again, most players haven't discussed defending the multi in 4th seat much.

[barryallen]

I would be so confident partner never had 6 hearts to the 10, I would consider bidding 2♥ over the 2♦ opening and responding 3NT to the expected 2♠ response.

[JLOGIC]

barryallen, on Aug 27 2010, 08:14 PM, said:

I would be so confident partner never had 6 hearts to the 10, I would consider bidding 2♥ over the 2♦ opening and responding 3NT to the expected 2♠ response.

wat

[OleBerg]

JLOGIC, on Aug 28 2010, 05:59 AM, said:

barryallen, on Aug 27 2010, 08:14 PM, said:

I would be so confident partner never had 6 hearts to the 10, I would consider bidding  2♥ over the 2♦ opening and responding 3NT to the expected 2♠ response.

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=_pqC563bX_w

FYP

[JLOGIC]

OleBerg, on Aug 28 2010, 01:55 AM, said:

JLOGIC, on Aug 28 2010, 05:59 AM, said:

barryallen, on Aug 27 2010, 08:14 PM, said:

I would be so confident partner never had 6 hearts to the 10, I would consider bidding  2♥ over the 2♦ opening and responding 3NT to the expected 2♠ response.

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=_pqC563bX_w

FYP

it's wat, wot, and wut all at the same time Oo

[barryallen]

JLOGIC, on Aug 28 2010, 01:56 AM, said:

OleBerg, on Aug 28 2010, 01:55 AM, said:

JLOGIC, on Aug 28 2010, 05:59 AM, said:

barryallen, on Aug 27 2010, 08:14 PM, said:

I would be so confident partner never had 6 hearts to the 10, I would consider bidding  2♥ over the 2♦ opening and responding 3NT to the expected 2♠ response.

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=_pqC563bX_w

FYP

it's wat, wot, and wut all at the same time Oo

Thank you for the effort, or was that the 9:38 reconstruction recycled?

My comment was in response to the post tempted to blast 6♠ and an inference to what players find acceptable to open a weak 2 with. Not saying it does not work as I expect most have seen on occasions. Just questioning how partner can proceed with any certainty, when all your points are more defensive, with zero attacking.