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Is this an obvious wtp call? all red, matchpoints

#1 User is offline   Mbodell 

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Posted 2010-July-24, 01:11

You play lebensohl advances of t/o doubles of 2 level preempts, and you are 2nd seat all red at matchpoints.

Scoring: MP

2♦-P-P-X
P-???

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Posted 2010-July-24, 01:21

2H is my call, if only because partner may have 5 hearts and 4 spades
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Posted 2010-July-24, 01:30

2♥ definitely. everything else is terrible.
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Posted 2010-July-24, 06:41

count me in the cacophony of bleeding ♥s
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Posted 2010-July-24, 07:20

qwery_hi, on Jul 24 2010, 08:21 AM, said:

2H is my call, if only because partner may have 5 hearts and 4 spades

I don't disagree with your choice, but I'm not persuaded by your logic.
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Posted 2010-July-24, 07:28

gordontd, on Jul 24 2010, 08:20 AM, said:

qwery_hi, on Jul 24 2010, 08:21 AM, said:

2H is my call, if only because partner may have 5 hearts and 4 spades

I don't disagree with your choice, but I'm not persuaded by your logic.

well if he does have 5♥ and 4♠ I can expect to be playing 3 or 4♥ :)
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Posted 2010-July-24, 08:25

bid spades so you can sugest hearts later when he cues, if that doesn't show extras for you.
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Posted 2010-July-24, 08:31

Try 2C. Then 2H bars partner if insufficient called.
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Posted 2010-July-24, 09:02

Yeah, obvious wtp 2♥ for me. What else ?
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Posted 2010-July-24, 09:10

dake50, on Jul 24 2010, 08:31 AM, said:

Try 2C. Then 2H bars partner if insufficient called.

Yep
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Posted 2010-July-24, 10:23

bluecalm, on Jul 24 2010, 07:02 AM, said:

Yeah, obvious wtp 2♥ for me. What else ?

Some one once told me with flat hands, defend. So with a 4333 and 4 cards in their trump suit, how much stronger would you have to be to pass?
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Posted 2010-July-24, 10:28

aguahombre, on Jul 24 2010, 05:10 PM, said:

dake50, on Jul 24 2010, 08:31 AM, said:

Try 2C.  Then 2H bars partner if insufficient called.

Yep

Nope. Law 23.
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Posted 2010-July-24, 10:32

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Some one once told me with flat hands, defend. So with a 4333 and 4 cards in their trump suit, how much stronger would you have to be to pass?


About ♦KQTx and side ace stronger.
I am not passing the double with xxxx unless somehow they are vulnerable and we are not, it's matchpoints and my hand contains a lot of quick tricks like:

AKx Axx xxxx Axx
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Posted 2010-July-24, 10:34

it is not obvious, but I'd bid 2♥. If partner has a big balanced hand, 2♦x is our best contract. If partner has a big hand with spades, 2♦x is not our best contract.
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Posted 2010-July-24, 10:39

Even with the same trump holding, 2H is better simply it give you a chnace to play 2S if partner is strong with S. While if you bid 2S and partner is strong with a M youll play 3M.
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Posted 2010-July-24, 10:41

OleBerg, on Jul 24 2010, 10:28 AM, said:

aguahombre, on Jul 24 2010, 05:10 PM, said:

dake50, on Jul 24 2010, 08:31 AM, said:

Try 2C.   Then 2H bars partner if insufficient called.

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Nope. Law 23.

Sigh. :unsure:
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Posted 2010-July-24, 10:52

Sometimes you have to bid a 3 card suit. At least playing leb (invites can go thru 2NT and then after the 3♣ relay bid a major) PD won't expect me to hold much.

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Posted 2010-July-24, 10:59

aguahombre, on Jul 24 2010, 06:41 PM, said:

OleBerg, on Jul 24 2010, 10:28 AM, said:

aguahombre, on Jul 24 2010, 05:10 PM, said:

dake50, on Jul 24 2010, 08:31 AM, said:

Try 2C.   Then 2H bars partner if insufficient called.

Yep

Nope. Law 23.

Sigh. :unsure:

Ok. :)
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Posted 2010-July-24, 11:01

Yeah I agree that bidding 2H is percentage, you can't pass and hope to beat it when they probably have 6 diamond tricks to start with and you have nothing.
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Posted 2010-July-24, 11:04

At MP's I'd pass. Apart from the trick I normally blow on the opening lead, this will be my last mistake on the hand.
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