[stjk]

Swiss team, NV vs Vul 2nd seat:

Axxx AKQxx KQ xx

RHO open 1D, would you DBL or over call 1H?

If you DBL, it goes:

(1D) X (1H) 2C
pass ?

Now is 2H natural? if not, what to bid? Is 2NT here GF?

Thanks,

[quiddity]

It makes sense for 2H to be natural; we have another cheaper cuebid available.

[JLOGIC]

Yep if you double and bid a major it's natural.

[dake50]

Do opponents ever "baby" psych 1M over T/O dbl?
How to ever find M-fit if not natural?
Now if you ask how strong: F1, GF, invNF that's a real kettle of worms.

[Fugitiv]

2 hearts there would definitely be natural and would be my choice; You are showing a strong hand and are more likely to make 2h than 2nt. 2nt while not forcing is unlikely to be passed, possibly partner will bid 3c some of the time with 6 clubs and 4 or so points.

[gszeszycki]

Swiss team, NV vs Vul 2nd seat:

Axxx AKQxx KQ xx

RHO open 1D, would you DBL or over call 1H?

If you DBL, it goes:

(1D) X (1H) 2C
pass ?

Now is 2H natural? if not, what to bid? Is 2NT here GF?


No it is a cue bid agreeing to clubs and in theory asking for a heart stopper for NT
showing a hand similar to AQxx xxx AQ AQxx

same thing a 2d bid would mean with a hand similar to AQxx AQx xx AQxx

even if 2h was natural I would not want to bid it with AKQxx P is virtually certain to be short in hearts in this auction. Best rebid here seems to be

2N invitational since partners 2c bid probably shows 5+ clubs 6-9. If p bids 3c pass

[aguahombre]

gszeszycki, on Jul 13 2010, 09:43 PM, said:

Swiss team, NV vs Vul 2nd seat:

Axxx AKQxx KQ xx

RHO open 1D, would you DBL or over call 1H?

If you DBL, it goes:

(1D) X (1H) 2C
pass ?

Now is 2H natural? if not, what to bid? Is 2NT here GF?


No it is a cue bid agreeing to clubs and in theory asking for a heart stopper for NT
showing a hand similar to AQxx xxx AQ AQxx

same thing a 2d bid would mean with a hand similar to AQxx AQx xx AQxx

even if 2h was natural I would not want to bid it with AKQxx P is virtually certain to be short in hearts in this auction. Best rebid here seems to be

2N invitational since partners 2c bid probably shows 5+ clubs 6-9. If p bids 3c pass

yep

[inquiry]

I overcall 1@H and if possible double next round.

If I had doubled earlier, 2H is hearts and better hand or better suit than this. If I wanted to cue bid to show club support, I would cue-bid 2♦, as after my double of one suit, the suit I can not have is diamonds, so the cue-bid is clear. And I need 2♥ for when I actually have a good hand and hearts. Sometimes the 1♥] bid will be a psych, more often a weak 4 card suit and my heart suit very strong so I don't care he has four.

[655321]

stjk, on Jul 13 2010, 03:38 PM, said:

Now is 2H natural?

Yes, 2♥ is natural, thought that part would be unanimous until I saw some responses in this thread.

[gnasher]

gszeszycki, on Jul 14 2010, 04:43 AM, said:

No it is a cue bid agreeing to clubs and in theory asking for a heart stopper for NT
showing a hand similar to AQxx xxx AQ AQxx

same thing a 2d bid would mean with a hand similar to AQxx AQx xx AQxx

even if 2h was natural I would not want to bid it with AKQxx P is virtually certain to be short in hearts in this auction.

That analysis might apply if you're playing bridge in a golf club. In other bridge-playing environments, there's a significant chance that LHO's hearts are three small.

2♥ doesn't commit us to playing in hearts. If partner is short in hearts, he will say so.

[jdonn]

Standard rule everyone should know. When you make a takeout double, the only suit you can be sure is an artificial cuebid on the next round is the one you doubled, the others are almost always natural even if they are bid after your double.

[stjk]

Thanks for all the replies. It seems most agree 2H is natural, NF.

At the table, I was not sure if my pard would take 2H as natural, so I choose
2NT, which is a little bit overbid (we agree X then NT = 19-22). Do you think
this 2NT is GF after pard's free bid?

Thanks,

[JLOGIC]

stjk, on Jul 14 2010, 08:57 AM, said:

Thanks for all the replies. It seems most agree 2H is natural, NF.

Huh, why'd you add in the NF part there?? 2H is 100 % forcing after a free 2C bid, as is any new suit bid.

[gszeszycki]

Axxx AKQxx KQ xx

lets back up the bidding one round so it goes 1D X 1H ?
you hold the following hands

xxx x xxxx AKxxxx
Kx xx xxx QJTxxx
xxx xx xxx AKQxx
xxx xx xx KQJxxx

these all look like free 2c bids to me and yet there is a huge range of plausible outcomes

hands 1 and 3 have a fair shot at 3n
hands 2 and 4 dont want to venture much above 3c and none of them like a
forcing natural 2h bid. Dont spend too much time worrying about conspiracy theory
and the opps magically knowing when to bid 1h with xxx. Those opps risk getting their side to high level heart contracts that are X by partner. Tailor you bidding to
probability rather than frequent las vegas bidding and you will prosper. Note that opposite each of the above 2c bids a 2n rebid allows the club bidder to bid 3c with
hands 1 and 3 and 3n with hands 2 and 4. This is a vast improvement over a natural 2h rebid where the inevitable 3c rebid leaves the partnership adrift with no clue as to the best course of action. The rule about doubling and bidding a new suit as natural is fine except when the opps bid the suit first.

let me reiterate after the 2c bid you should bid 2N and stop worrying about the
right miracle hand where trumps break 41 yet 4h still manages to make

[stjk]

JLOGIC, on Jul 14 2010, 09:12 AM, said:

stjk, on Jul 14 2010, 08:57 AM, said:

Thanks for all the replies. It seems most agree 2H is natural, NF.

Huh, why'd you add in the NF part there?? 2H is 100 % forcing after a free 2C bid, as is any new suit bid.

Sorry, I meant to say NGF (not game forcing).

[hanp]

You are pulling JLOGIC's leg right? Nobody said it was non-gameforcing either!

I do think it is non-GF by the way. With good clubs partner should bid them, even with not too many HCP. Forcing but not-gameforcing seems right.