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How do you reach 6 Spades? How to choose from 2 fits?

#1 User is offline   Hanoi5 

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Posted 2010-July-11, 18:48

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Opponents won't interfere.

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


 rbforster, on 2012-May-20, 21:04, said:

Besides playing for fun, most people also like to play bridge to win


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Posted 2010-July-11, 19:19

relay
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Posted 2010-July-11, 19:28

Actually even relay depending on your style of denial cue-bids might not be able to distinguish between ♥A ♦K and ♥K ♦A.
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Posted 2010-July-11, 19:35

Yeah if you start with 1S-2H-3H you'll do well to stop in 4H (possibly via 1S 2H 3H 3S(cue) 3N(non serious) 4C 4D 4H the way I like to play).

Getting to 6S I have no idea but I suspect it starts with 1S 2C* artificial GF followed by relays.

Honestly if I got to 4H I would expect to win imps more often than lose them (against people in 5H). If people get to 6S, wd they have good methods.
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Posted 2010-July-11, 20:22

S:3-2 or restricted choice J,10 single with LHO to not lose a spade + DA.
And C:AKJ for two H-pitches or lucky H's.
OK, I prefer to be in 6S, but not worth fretting this one.
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Posted 2010-July-11, 20:39

dake50, on Jul 11 2010, 09:22 PM, said:

S:3-2 or restricted choice J,10 single with LHO to not lose a spade

Here is a thread that might help, but if not it is at least entertaining.
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Posted 2010-July-11, 20:51

2/1
1s normal
2h normal
2s this usage of catchall will allow you to show GOOD 6/7 spade suit and heart support.
3c normal
4h delayed support makes the 2s bid stand out as a good 6/7 spade suit.
5c normal
6h 2nd round control dia
6s you know the spades are decent not quite as sure about the hearts
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Posted 2010-July-11, 21:10

655321, on Jul 11 2010, 09:39 PM, said:

dake50, on Jul 11 2010, 09:22 PM, said:

S:3-2 or restricted choice J,10 single with LHO to not lose a spade

Here is a thread that might help, but if not it is at least entertaining.

lol i dont even remember this thread...First post on the top of page 2 looks like i am having a heart attack
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Posted 2010-July-11, 21:48

655321, on Jul 11 2010, 09:39 PM, said:

dake50, on Jul 11 2010, 09:22 PM, said:

S:3-2 or restricted choice J,10 single with LHO to not lose a spade

Here is a thread that might help, but if not it is at least entertaining.

::tilt::
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Posted 2010-July-11, 22:07

Hanoi5, on Jul 11 2010, 07:48 PM, said:

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Opponents won't interfere.

great post ty for posting:


1s=2h
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easy so far now what?
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Posted 2010-July-12, 05:52

I can't reach 6♠. Will probably end up in 5♥ after something like

1♠ 2♥
2♠ 2NT
3♥ 4♣
4♦ 4NT
5♦ 5♥

2♠ = catch all with min hands (can be 5 cards only)
2NT = art, shows extras and slam interest
3♥ = min 3 card support
4♣ = serious cue bid
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Posted 2010-July-12, 06:04

Wow, relays? Really? I think a bit of logic works also.

How about:

1♠-2♥
3♥(I have a fit)-3♠(honor cue)
3NT(serious)-4♣(control)
4♦(Last Train)-4NT(RKCB)
5♦(one)

West should find this curious. Opener has only one control but is serious?!?!? He MUST have the trump Ace, diamond King, and a trick source in spades. With the club trick source, and diamond Q-J, 6NT or 6S seems right.
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Posted 2010-July-12, 07:13

is opener both serious and worth last train?
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Posted 2010-July-12, 10:59

JLOGIC, on Jul 11 2010, 08:35 PM, said:

Yeah if you start with 1S-2H-3H you'll do well to stop in 4H (possibly via 1S 2H 3H 3S(cue)

For me, 1S-2H-3H-3S is revealing a doublefit. I also think it is more valuable to play it natural that way so that both sides get to know of the doublefit and can use that information for their bidding decisions.
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Posted 2010-July-12, 11:08

peachy, on Jul 12 2010, 10:59 AM, said:

JLOGIC, on Jul 11 2010, 08:35 PM, said:

Yeah if you start with 1S-2H-3H you'll do well to stop in 4H (possibly via 1S 2H 3H 3S(cue)

For me, 1S-2H-3H-3S is revealing a doublefit. I also think it is more valuable to play it natural that way so that both sides get to know of the doublefit and can use that information for their bidding decisions.

Then, if Justin were opener, and you were responder, getting to 6♠ would be easy :rolleyes:
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Posted 2010-July-12, 11:33

aguahombre, on Jul 12 2010, 12:08 PM, said:

peachy, on Jul 12 2010, 10:59 AM, said:

JLOGIC, on Jul 11 2010, 08:35 PM, said:

Yeah if you start with 1S-2H-3H you'll do well to stop in 4H (possibly via 1S 2H 3H 3S(cue)

For me, 1S-2H-3H-3S is revealing a doublefit. I also think it is more valuable to play it natural that way so that both sides get to know of the doublefit and can use that information for their bidding decisions.

Then, if Justin were opener, and you were responder, getting to 6♠ would be easy :rolleyes:

I was talking about the auction 1S-2H-3H-3S, not really the OP hand. Maybe I should have started a new thread...too late for that.
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Posted 2010-July-12, 13:58

peachy, on Jul 12 2010, 11:59 AM, said:

JLOGIC, on Jul 11 2010, 08:35 PM, said:

Yeah if you start with 1S-2H-3H you'll do well to stop in 4H (possibly via 1S 2H 3H 3S(cue)

For me, 1S-2H-3H-3S is revealing a doublefit. I also think it is more valuable to play it natural that way so that both sides get to know of the doublefit and can use that information for their bidding decisions.

Hey, I think most people play as you play (3S double fit). I am only a very recent convert to 3S cuebid, but I now think it's better. Obviously you can play either way and do fine.
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Posted 2010-July-12, 14:43

peachy, on Jul 12 2010, 11:59 AM, said:

JLOGIC, on Jul 11 2010, 08:35 PM, said:

Yeah if you start with 1S-2H-3H you'll do well to stop in 4H (possibly via 1S 2H 3H 3S(cue)

For me, 1S-2H-3H-3S is revealing a doublefit. I also think it is more valuable to play it natural that way so that both sides get to know of the doublefit and can use that information for their bidding decisions.

♠Ax ♥AKQxx ♦xxx ♣xx

1♠-2♥
3♥-?????????
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Posted 2010-July-12, 15:37

Hanoi5, on Jul 11 2010, 07:48 PM, said:

Dealer: East
Vul: None
Scoring: IMP
♠ A8
♥ Q8765
♦ QJ
♣ AKJ5
♠ KQ9432
♥ AT2
♦ K7
♣ Q9
 


Opponents won't interfere.

I'm going to choose the 2S rebid showing 6+... because
this leaves room for Responder to rebid 2NT, 3C or 3D in the event
that s/he can't support Spades... then I could show my Ht support:
- -              - 1S
2H!            - 2S
2NT/3C/3D - 3H

But Responder does have Sp support.. AND is strong enough for
"Last Train" :
- -   - 1S
2H! - 2S
3S -  4D! (mixed Ctrl cue; no Cl Ctrl )
4H! ( last train ) - 4NT ( RKC for Sp )
5H ( 2 - sQ ) - 6S
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Posted 2010-July-13, 02:59

kenrexford, on Jul 12 2010, 09:43 PM, said:

♠Ax ♥AKQxx ♦xxx ♣xx

1♠-2♥
3♥-?????????

Assuming that's supposed to be 2533, one would bid 3NT (non-serious).

If you play Serious 3NT, this hand is another good reason to change your methods.
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