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#1 User is offline   Bbradley62 

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Posted 2010-March-24, 11:10

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I'm guessing that there are as many different answers as there are responders.
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Posted 2010-March-24, 11:32

Every bid is up for debate, but it is crystal clear to me that north should double 1 and south should bid a lot of spades.
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Posted 2010-March-24, 11:44

North: Yes, North must certainly dbl 1.

East: 2 is maybe ok by a passed hand. What system are you playing? If 2 promises a 2nd bid as it does in SAYC, then 2 is likely to take you too high.

South: South could have bid 3 or even 4 if North had doubled. As it is he has to pass.

West: West must pass 2.
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Posted 2010-March-24, 11:52

Ya west should always pass after he opens 1 and East bids natural if the auction isnt at 3 or 4
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Posted 2010-March-24, 12:21

North should double 1. The extra high cards make up for the poor shape. It's not clear to me how many spades South should bid after this (I can see a case for 2, 3, or 4 regardless of whether or not East bids 2).
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Posted 2010-March-24, 12:23

can someone post the hand? work website blockage fml.
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Posted 2010-March-24, 12:25

P P 1 P
2 P 2 AP

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Posted 2010-March-24, 14:07

This is Interest rather than A&E.

So excuse my question, why should North double rather than bid 1NT?
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Posted 2010-March-24, 14:10

Pict, on Mar 24 2010, 03:07 PM, said:

This is Interest rather than A&E.

So excuse my question, why should North double rather than bid 1NT?

Because he doesn't have a stopper in Opener's suit.
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Posted 2010-March-24, 14:15

Does anyone open as East?
As South?
If it goes P-(P)-1-Dbl, should East Rdble to show strength?
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Posted 2010-March-24, 14:16

Bbradley62, on Mar 24 2010, 03:10 PM, said:

Pict, on Mar 24 2010, 03:07 PM, said:

This is Interest rather than A&E.

So excuse my question, why should North double rather than bid 1NT?

Because he doesn't have a stopper in Opener's suit.

Ah - of course I hadn't noticed.

So 1NT overcall promises at least one solid stopper. I play in a different country.
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Posted 2010-March-24, 19:42

I agree with Pict. If you are going to bid on the North hand, (and whether Nth should or not is debatable anyway), then 1NT is far superior to a X.
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Posted 2010-March-24, 22:53

I believe north has a clear double. I would rate 1NT ahead of pass though.
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Posted 2010-March-25, 01:47

At least the pair does not fit well. If there style is to pass 1 and 2 with the north hand, south has an easy reopening with his great shape...

I had never bid 1 NT with the north hand. I had doubled too, but even if my partner had not (give him 2344 f.e.), I had surely reopened with the south hand.
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Posted 2010-March-25, 06:14

Maybe you Americans would bid 1NT with this but us Europeans would double.
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2010-March-25, 06:27

Bbradley62, on Mar 24 2010, 09:15 PM, said:

Does anyone open as East?
As South?
If it goes P-(P)-1-Dbl, should East Rdble to show strength?

I think it would be reasonable to open the East hand.

I wouldn't open the S hand. You are vulnerable in 2nd seat so a 2 opening should be based on no more than one flaw. The hand has three flaws: the bad spade suit, the void, the 4-card heart suit.

E should not redouble. He needs to show both his two suits so he can't wait to the 3rd round starting describing his hand. Especially since if he redoubles S is likely to preempt in spades.
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Posted 2010-March-25, 06:29

Even in England, which is the last bastion of the traditional takeout double, almost everyone would double with the North hand.
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Posted 2010-March-25, 07:19

hanp, on Mar 25 2010, 07:14 AM, said:

Maybe you Americans would bid 1NT with this but us Europeans would double.

So you are saying most Europeans would make an illegal call? Because I think most bridge players (North American as well) who play strong NT openings would open 1NT but X 1 since they don't have a stopper.
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Posted 2010-March-25, 07:20

I Think I'd bid 4 as south after the double, the 4 hearts look very good, Axxx its 8 tricks already.
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Posted 2010-March-25, 09:50

Fluffy, on Mar 25 2010, 08:20 AM, said:

I Think I'd bid 4 as south after the double, the 4 hearts look very good, Axxx its 8 tricks already.

wat?
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