[paulg]

Scoring: IMP

1♣ (Pass) 1♦ (Double)
2♣ (Pass) 2♥ (Pass)
3♦ (Pass) 3♠ (Pass)
3NT (all pass)

Lead; ♥10

Five heart tricks later ...

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I don't normally do assign the blame, but who could have done better or is it just the rub of the green?

[ONEferBRID]

Responder has to realize from the bidding that partner can't have many cards in Hts. Since Responder didn't bid NT, he has to go past 3NT in his suit... probably 5D. Looks like it will make 6 with a little luck.

[NickRW]

Hmm. Well you might play it something like 1♣ - 1♠ (showing 5♦) - 2♦ - 3♣. Then 3♠ allows resp to bid 3N - at least the damn thing is right sided after that - though it is really quite questionable whether opener wants to be in 3N after hearing about a double minor fit.

Nick

[Jlall]

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[Pict]

Seems a pity if opener can't bid 2S after the responder reverse.

[nigel_k]

Prefer 2♠ to 3♦. Give responder room to clarify their 2♥ bid. You would like to show support but the most likely fit is clubs and 3♦ goes past that, you might still get to bid 3♦ later, and three to the ten is not great support anyway. It could even be a negative if responder has AKxxx in diamonds and slam interest in clubs.

[mike777]

cardsharp, on Feb 20 2010, 09:14 AM, said:

Scoring: IMP

1♣ (Pass) 1♦ (Double)
2♣ (Pass) 2♥ (Pass)
3♦ (Pass) 3♠ (Pass)
3NT (all pass)

Lead; ♥10

Five heart tricks later ...

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I don't normally do assign the blame, but who could have done better or is it just the rub of the green?

I would have bid a simple 4c over 2c at imps.
End up in 5c after missing two keys.

[aguahombre]

Mike: how did you intend 4C? If it was minorwood, I object with JX of spades. aside from that, there are six keys on this hand.

[mike777]

aguahombre, on Feb 20 2010, 10:54 PM, said:

Mike: how did you intend 4C? If it was minorwood, I object with JX of spades. aside from that, there are six keys on this hand.

4c....clubs game forcing...not rkc.



4d now will be rkc.

[whereagles]

I guess East didn't bid 3♥ (instead of 3♠) because he as afraid pard would take it as a red 6-5... oops.

Anyway, I have some sympathy for East's auction, but why make heavy weather out of the bidding? Just shoot 3NT over 2♣.

[pooltuna]

cardsharp, on Feb 20 2010, 09:14 AM, said:

Scoring: IMP

1♣ (Pass) 1♦ (Double)
2♣ (Pass) 2♥ (Pass)
3♦ (Pass) 3♠ (Pass)
3NT (all pass)

Lead; ♥10

Five heart tricks later ...

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I don't normally do assign the blame, but who could have done better or is it just the rub of the green?

75+% west he doesn't want to be declarer with a stiff ♥ bid 2♠ this can't be a suit. 25% east sometimes you just have to grab the bull by the horns over 2♣ just bid 2NT or 3NT whichever is system appropriate.

[paulg]

Is there a slight problem with 2♠, which is 4th suit, in that it must show some doubt over a subsequent 3NT and partner will think that the issue is spades?

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

East?

Sry, I dont like 2H.

East has a bal. hand, but sells it as 5-4, East knowes, that
the heart stopper is positioanl at best, but asks for a spade
stopper.

Now - I dont suggest, that there is a better auction, but if I have
to blame someone, it is East.
The normal bid over 2C is 2NT or 3NT, whatever the system bid
may be.
East wanted to be scientific, which is ok, so he invented a suit,
that backfired, but because East went creative, he also takes the
blame, of course, he would also get the praise, if it did work out.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[P_Marlowe]

pooltuna, on Feb 21 2010, 08:26 AM, said:

cardsharp, on Feb 20 2010, 09:14 AM, said:

Scoring: IMP

1♣ (Pass) 1♦ (Double)
2♣ (Pass) 2♥ (Pass)
3♦ (Pass) 3♠ (Pass)
3NT (all pass)

Lead; ♥10

Five heart tricks later ...

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I don't normally do assign the blame, but who could have done better or is it just the rub of the green?

75+% west he doesn't want to be declarer with a stiff ♥ bid 2♠ this can't be a suit. 25% east sometimes you just have to grab the bull by the horns over 2♣ just bid 2NT or 3NT whichever is system appropriate.

Sry - 2S?

West knowes, the partnership has a fit, and now West tells East about this,
live is easy, you found a fit, ok the fit is only in a minor, but obviously you
dont have a major suit fit, tell p the good news.

Any other bid besides 3D is just garbage. Besides, raising p suit is certainly
not a strong attempt to be declarer.

There are days, East is interested in investigating slam - assuming the partnership
has a fit and than East will be happy to hear this information.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Fluffy]

I know I'd play the same contract, if inspired, 2♠ might lead to rightsiding it, but I think I'd end up on the same thing.

[gnasher]

After 3♦, I think East should insist on diamonds. 3♦ showed real diamond support, because opener could have bid either 2NT or 2♠. It's hard to construct a hand where opener has a heart bolster, a spade stop, and nine tricks, and 5♦ isn't also making. Kx Qx xxx AQxxxx would probably rebid 2NT rather than 3♦.

Another way of looking at it: what would East have done with xx KQxx AJxx Kxx? He'd have bid exactly as he did, expecting West to bid 3NT on any hand with a spade stop. I don't think it works to bid such different hands the same way.

[rhm]

cardsharp, on Feb 20 2010, 09:14 AM, said:

Scoring: IMP

1♣ (Pass) 1♦ (Double)
2♣ (Pass) 2♥ (Pass)
3♦ (Pass) 3♠ (Pass)
3NT (all pass)

Lead; ♥10

Five heart tricks later ...

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I don't normally do assign the blame, but who could have done better or is it just the rub of the green?

I think the major error was the 3♠ bid. Just because you can ask does not mean you should.
If 3NT was a possible contract, East can see that it might be crucial to play 3NT from his side. He should have prefered 3NT to 3♠
After East rebid 2♥, West should not pass 3NT with a broken ♣ suit and nothing in ♠. So West will let 3NT stand only with something in ♠

Rainer Herrmann

[Cyberyeti]

We'd bid this:

1♣-1♦(X)
2♣(will have 6, as no other 4 card suit and not a weak NT)-2♦(relay)
2N(minimum ish, 3♦)-3♣
3♠-? now responder has a choice of 3N from the right side or bidding on in a minor

[cherdanno]

gnasher, on Feb 22 2010, 04:27 AM, said:

After 3♦, I think East should insist on diamonds. 3♦ showed real diamond support, because opener could have bid either 2NT or 2♠. It's hard to construct a hand where opener has a heart bolster, a spade stop, and nine tricks, and 5♦ isn't also making. Kx Qx xxx AQxxxx would probably rebid 2NT rather than 3♦.

Another way of looking at it: what would East have done with xx KQxx AJxx Kxx? He'd have bid exactly as he did, expecting West to bid 3NT on any hand with a spade stop. I don't think it works to bid such different hands the same way.

I agree with all of this.

[mike777]

gnasher, on Feb 22 2010, 04:27 AM, said:

Another way of looking at it: what would East have done with xx KQxx AJxx Kxx?  He'd have bid exactly as he did, expecting West to bid 3NT on any hand with a spade stop.  I don't think it works to bid such different hands the same way.

With that east example hand I start with 1h not 1d.

After 2c then 3c by east.