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#1 User is offline   Gerben42 

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Posted 2010-January-11, 10:51

Here are several problems from the first Bundesliga weekend.

1. None vulnerable:

9752
A
AK43
KT65

Pass 1 Pass 2
Pass Pass ?

Agree with first pass? If yes, what do you do on your 2nd turn?

2. Unfavourable:

AQ52
J
653
A8632

RHO opens 1 and you? Pass, Dbl, 1? (Raptor is not available)

3. Favourable

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A984
KT865
A852

2* 2 Pass 3 ?

9 - 12, 5+, unbalanced
Do you act again?

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All vulnerable

KQ6542
97654
75
-

Pass 3 Pass Pass
?

First pass was easy, now what?
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Posted 2010-January-11, 11:03

1st: I will try 2NT

2nd: I don't mind a pass, but I would double

3rd: I think we must pass but far from familiar on these methods. Hand has low ODR despite the void

4th: Kinda unbelievable, partner has shortness in one major but probably 3 cards in the other, anything can work but I am gonna risk a pass.
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Posted 2010-January-11, 11:06

#1 yes, the first Pass was clear cut. Now 2NT.
#2 I prefer X, but if the partnership agreements require more for X,
I would pass, the spade suit quality is not good enough for me for 1S.
#3 Pass, ..., but it would be tempting to act, if 4S comes back to me,
you did not ask, if I would have let me tempted, most likely
I will Pass, but ...
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Posted 2010-January-11, 11:09

1) 2NT. If partner is 1-6-3-3 and passed twice, I shrug my shoulders.

2) X, being an overbidder, this seems clear.

3) Not even close.

4) 4, I'd rather overbid than misbid.
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Posted 2010-January-11, 11:37

I would rather bid 3 that 4, the suit quality is way different, and nobody said we had to apss 3NT from partner.
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Posted 2010-January-11, 13:01

1. 2NT. Not close.
2. Somewhat close but I would always double.
3. I suppose I have to pass but I don't like it (or the system that got me here).
4. 3. Pass could be right but I don't like 4 because partner could easily have a pretty good 2425 and will take us too high. If our style is to open very light with 5-5 majors then maybe I could chance 4 though.
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Posted 2010-January-11, 13:27

2NT should work often.
very easy x
haven't played your system but x
I've never had this sequence but I will bid 4d (: I suppose 3 should be a two suiter for people like me who open most hands with 6 hearts on the 1 or 2 levels :)
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Posted 2010-January-11, 15:23

nigel_k, on Jan 12 2010, 12:31 AM, said:

1. 2NT. Not close.
2. Somewhat close but I would always double.
3. I suppose I have to pass but I don't like it (or the system that got me here).
4. 3. Pass could be right but I don't like 4 because partner could easily have a pretty good 2425 and will take us too high. If our style is to open very light with 5-5 majors then maybe I could chance 4 though.

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Posted 2010-January-11, 15:52

1) 2N of course.
2) Double. I would describe pass as remarkably terrible.
3) Reconsidering, I would pass.
4) 3S. 4D seems like a huge overbid to me and will get us doubled very often (RHO is very likely to have a good hand with diamond shortness).
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Posted 2010-January-11, 15:57

1. 2N
2. x
3. Pass. Why would I bid here? They may be rolling into game and I have above average defense. Bidding gives them a 2 way shot.
4. I would have opened 3 the prior round because of the playing strength of this hand. I now bid 3
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Posted 2010-January-11, 19:06

1. 2N
2. X. Pass is also ok.
3. X. I'm confident that this is a BIG winner in the long run. Sometimes partner has xxx, xx, Ax, Kxxxxx where conceding 140 with a slam on will not be great. I have to explore my possible fits.
4. 3. Perhaps we will get a chance to show hearts on the second round.
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Posted 2010-January-11, 19:15

1. Pass then 2NT
2. Double
3. Double
4. 3

I think all of the problems but 3 are true wtps, and MFA's example is starting to make me think 3 is a wtp as well. As for 2 I can't believe people are so generous toward pass, good grief please double!
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Posted 2010-January-12, 01:34

1. 2NT
2. Dbl
3. Pass
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Posted 2010-January-12, 02:49

I must have been out that set. Or my memory is fading more and more...

1. Easy pass, easy 2 NT now, not close
2. double. I love to bid 2 over 1 but this is a double.
3. I would double for take out or if this is not avaiable bid 3 NT for the same reason. Even for your methods you have an exeptional holding and I would show it.
4. I remember this one, I guess I had tried 3 Spade but it had been very tempting to bid 4 Diamond.
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Posted 2010-January-12, 03:12

1. None vulnerable:

♠9752
♥A
♦AK43
♣KT65

Pass 1♠ Pass 2♠
Pass Pass ?

Agree with first pass? If yes, what do you do on your 2nd turn?


agree with pass, now 2NT.


2. Unfavourable:

♠AQ52
♥J
♦653
♣A8632

RHO opens 1♥ and you? Pass, Dbl, 1♠? (Raptor is not available)


Dbl. Would double with red suits reversed even.. can you imagine? :)


3. Favourable

♠-
♥A984
♦KT865
♣A852

2♦* 2♠ Pass 3♠ ?

9 - 12, 5+♦, unbalanced
Do you act again?


No. It would be too much of guess for me to bid here. Besides, opps didn't even bid to a game yet.


4.

All vulnerable

♠KQ6542
♥97654
♦75
♣-

Pass 3♦ Pass Pass
?

First pass was easy, now what?


Now an easy 4 <_< Pard probably has 12-14 and shape like some 2236, but he can also be balanced, in which case you want to bid a game. It's better to get the suit right, even if a level higher, than to linger in 3 only to find out we got a 9 heart fit.. ooops.
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Posted 2010-January-12, 03:31

1. 2NT = minors
2. Double
3. Double
4. Pass, RHO is trapping with some (43)15 hand
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Posted 2010-January-12, 04:30

1. 2NT unanimous.

2. Double.

3. I'd double.

4. 3S, I think that 4D is terrible.
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2010-January-12, 04:38

1. 2NT against 5-card majorites, pass against 4-card majorites.

2. Prefer dbl but I can understand pass.

3. Dbl, maybe I ought to have a 6th diamond but I think dbl is right, otherwise at least it will provoke some interesting discussion.

4. 4 wtp.
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Posted 2010-January-12, 04:41

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Posted 2010-January-12, 04:44

Passing against 4-card majors is pretty deep I think Helene. You are making a big gamble that they don't have a fit and even if they are in a 4-3 fit it could be right to balance (of course, even if they have a fit it could be right to pass, but I think that's quite unlikely).
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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