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Posted 2009-June-07, 12:52

NV vs V at IMPs you hold:

J96
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Q9753
Q875

You deal:

P - (P) - 3♦ - (4♦)
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How high are you going here?
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Posted 2009-June-07, 13:13

6♦, for starters
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Posted 2009-June-07, 13:26

7♦. I strongly believe in preempting to the limit right away on slam auctions, for all the same reasons it's right on game auctions.
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Posted 2009-June-07, 14:25

six or seven

Depends on a number of factors like how likely it is partner has only six diamonds, what the agreement is for 4♦, possibly how light LHO would have opened etc
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Posted 2009-June-07, 14:37

7♦
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Posted 2009-June-07, 15:45

5NT, inviting a save at the 7 level.
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Posted 2009-June-07, 15:51

whereagles, on Jun 7 2009, 04:45 PM, said:

5NT, inviting a save at the 7 level.

Do you honestly think pard will have two defensive tricks?

7♦ for me.
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Posted 2009-June-07, 15:56

Phil, on Jun 8 2009, 09:51 AM, said:

whereagles, on Jun 7 2009, 04:45 PM, said:

5NT, inviting a save at the 7 level.

Do you honestly think pard will have two defensive tricks?

Its possible if six-diamonds and a side ace is a possible hand.
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Posted 2009-June-07, 16:21

It's a 3rd seat opener. Pard can very well have some defensive values.
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Posted 2009-June-07, 16:36

Cascade, on Jun 7 2009, 09:25 PM, said:

six or seven

Depends on a number of factors like how likely it is partner has only six diamonds, what the agreement is for 4♦, possibly how light LHO would have opened etc

lol

3rd seat w/r, why would he have 7? 5 is expected. I bid 6♦.
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Posted 2009-June-07, 16:38

helene_t, on Jun 8 2009, 10:36 AM, said:

Cascade, on Jun 7 2009, 09:25 PM, said:

six or seven

Depends on a number of factors like how likely it is partner has only six diamonds, what the agreement is for 4♦, possibly how light LHO would have opened etc

lol

3rd seat w/r, why would he have 7? 5 is expected.

Partnerships vary and they might or might not have a weak two in diamonds available.

That reminds me when I was asked once "could he have six?" and I replied "yeah sometimes he has as many as six"
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Posted 2009-June-07, 16:43

Cascade, on Jun 7 2009, 04:56 PM, said:

Phil, on Jun 8 2009, 09:51 AM, said:

whereagles, on Jun 7 2009, 04:45 PM, said:

5NT, inviting a save at the 7 level.

Do you honestly think pard will have two defensive tricks?

Its possible if six-diamonds and a side ace is a possible hand.

yes, and yes to cascade's previous post. What would 2D have shown? I wish pard were in first seat, then 7D is easy. So now we have to have a gadget to uncover the nature of the 3d bid.
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Posted 2009-June-07, 17:50

7♦ for me
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Posted 2009-June-07, 17:56

Question -- is there a bid that says "6♦ partbner, but I'm thinking 7, but for (a.) u might have crap and (b.) I have some defense?
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Posted 2009-June-07, 19:45

kenrexford, on Jun 7 2009, 06:56 PM, said:

Question -- is there a bid that says "6♦ partbner, but I'm thinking 7, but for (a.) u might have crap and (b.) I have some defense?

see whereagles, above...perhaps a passed hand wont need 5nt for a grand slam force.
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Posted 2009-June-07, 20:43

3D in third seat can range from a terrible to quite a reasonable hand. I am bidding 5D and passing thereafter. 5D may well be high enough to shut the opps out of a slam they MIGHT have.
Even a pass at this stage is not out of the question and I might well do that, dependin on whom I am playing against.
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Posted 2009-June-07, 20:56

5D, let's see what happens. We can bid 7♦ later, I'm not afraid of them bidding a grand slam.
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2009-June-07, 21:16

kenrexford, on Jun 8 2009, 11:56 AM, said:

Question -- is there a bid that says "6♦ partbner, but I'm thinking 7, but for (a.) u might have crap and (b.) I have some defense?

Given that a pre-empter is usually trained not to bid again. After third seat perhaps unusual actions should be consultative.
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Posted 2009-June-07, 22:26

hanp, on Jun 7 2009, 09:56 PM, said:

5D, let's see what happens. We can bid 7♦ later, I'm not afraid of them bidding a grand slam.

Do you mean you're not afraid of them making one? In that case why not make your LHO guess right away when he might bid one, that would be the real big gainer.
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Posted 2009-June-07, 22:56

Why isn't anyone considering the likely damage in 7♦? I'm betting on 1400 away, which means the save is a very bad idea over an opposing 6M. We aren't playing BAM.

I'm going to bid 4♥. If I'm really lucky, I'll move them to spades, where we have a chance to set their small slam on a ruff. That's not happening if the play in hearts.

Maybe I should go post in the psyching thread now.
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