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Holy #%$@! Vugraph hand, Lead?

#1 User is offline   mtvesuvius 

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Posted 2009-June-10, 17:28

All Vul at IMPs:

A7653
9
9832
T43

The auction:

(2♣) - P - (2♥) - P
(3♦) - P - (3♥) - P
(6♥) - P - (7♥) - P
(P) - X - (XX) - P
(P) - P

There are 37 IMPs hanging on your lead. What will it be?
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Posted 2009-June-10, 17:32

small club, hope declarer needs a ruffing finesse in spades.

I assume partner's double wasn't asking for a diamond (or else this is a non-problem really)
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Posted 2009-June-10, 17:33

I would lead a diamond.

If partner is ruffing spades, we might still get the ♠A after a diamond lead.
If partner is ruffing diamonds (and RHO's void is spades) we have to lead the diamond.

(Edit) Although I suppose partner might be doubling with the ♦A and RHO is redoubling with a void, and all the time a spade is cashing... never mind, I will stick with a diamond lead :ph34r:)

This post has been edited by 655321: 2009-June-10, 17:38

That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2009-June-10, 17:35

top diamond.
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Posted 2009-June-10, 17:43

High ♦, I have no idea if it is right or not but I do know I will never hear the end of it from partner if it is right.

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Posted 2009-June-10, 17:51

I hate to say it, but you reeeeeeeally have to know who is on your right
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Posted 2009-June-10, 17:57

jdonn, on Jun 10 2009, 06:51 PM, said:

I hate to say it, but you reeeeeeeally have to know who is on your right

Melih Ozdil
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Posted 2009-June-10, 18:54

D for me as well.
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Posted 2009-June-10, 20:07

♦ I think.

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Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


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Posted 2009-June-10, 20:46

When Melih Ozdil bid 7 and then redoubled, a vugraph commentator said "Melih goes all in!". Indeed this deal probably won the match for his team.
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Posted 2009-June-10, 23:12

Does anyone have the complete hand - I cant find it in the vugraph archives.
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Posted 2009-June-10, 23:40


Scoring: IMP


West North East South
Lair Greco Ozdil Hampson
 -     -     -     Pass
 2♣    Pass  2♥    Pass
 3♦    Pass  3♥    Pass
 6♥    Pass  7♥    Pass
 Pass  Dbl   RDbl  Pass
 Pass  Pass  

West North East South
Gitelman Yang Moss Shi
 -     -     -     Pass
 1♦    1♠    4♥    4♠
 4NT   Pass  5♥    Pass
 6♥    Pass  Pass  6♠
 Dbl   Pass  Pass  Pass
 
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Posted 2009-June-10, 23:45

so +2100 vs -1840 ?

Edit - Thanks Wayne.
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Posted 2009-June-10, 23:48

qwery_hi, on Jun 11 2009, 12:45 AM, said:

so +2100 vs -1840 ?

no I think it was 2940 vs 1100 = 18
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Posted 2009-June-10, 23:57

Phil, on Jun 11 2009, 05:48 PM, said:

qwery_hi, on Jun 11 2009, 12:45 AM, said:

so +2100 vs -1840 ?

no I think it was 2940 vs 1100 = 18

Those scores are correct.

And beating it is worth +1000 to go with the 1100 at the other table to win 19.
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Posted 2009-June-11, 01:36

What do you think of Greco's double of 7♥?

Given the auction without any hands, I'd guess that this was based on a diamond void. With the North hand, I'd pass, as the best chance of getting a club lead.

Maybe it was supposed to mean "I have an ace, so don't lead a trump, and please try to guess where my ace is instead." Do people do that?

Edit: corrected typo in first line - thanks Wayne

This post has been edited by gnasher: 2009-June-11, 03:52

... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2009-June-11, 01:55

gnasher, on Jun 11 2009, 07:36 PM, said:

What do you think of Greco's double of 6♠?

Given the auction without any hands, I'd guess that this was based on a diamond void. With the North hand, I'd pass, as the best chance of getting a club lead.

Maybe it was supposed to mean "I have an ace, so don't lead a trump, and please try to guess where my ace is instead." Do people do that?

Greco doubled 7♥. I think this double was poor if there was any chance it would read as Lightner for diamonds.

Gitelman doubled 6♠. I think this double was good.

There is a case for the double to mean something else than diamond void since when that occurs there is some chance they will be able to run to 7NT. Especially when the auction has been uninformative so they didn't investigate alternative contracts very carefully.
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Posted 2009-June-11, 01:59

I don't care for the double, it seems to me to want a diamond lead. I think the 'normal' lead on this auction is either black suit since they are obviously guessing so you won't want to lead a trump. It was unfortunate that in this case south wasn't going to find a club lead in either case, but that really can't be helped since there is just pass and double to cover three suits.
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Posted 2009-June-11, 10:52

Vugraph operator had reported that Greco was trying to introduce a run to 7nt and Hampson was leading a spade without double.
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