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#1 User is offline   JLOL 

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Posted 2009-May-06, 16:16

AQT9xx K xxx xxx. imps.

2S p 3H p
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3H 1 round force.
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Posted 2009-May-06, 16:40

4♦, pick a game?
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2009-May-06, 16:41

4♥ for me, would like another heart, but it was not dealt to me.
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Posted 2009-May-06, 16:52

4♥ looks sensible. But Everything is a lie :rolleyes:
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Posted 2009-May-06, 16:54

gnasher, on May 6 2009, 05:40 PM, said:

4♦, pick a game?

Hmm for me that would be a cue, i.e. a very good hand for hearts.
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Posted 2009-May-06, 17:02

Sorry for the ignorant questions:

How many hearts does 3H promise?

What is wrong with bidding 3S?
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Posted 2009-May-06, 17:22

cherdanno, on May 6 2009, 11:54 PM, said:

gnasher, on May 6 2009, 05:40 PM, said:

4♦, pick a game?

Hmm for me that would be a cue, i.e. a very good hand for hearts.

Yes, for me too, except that I'd play it as shortage. I meant that 4♦ ought be pick-a-game, on the grounds of frequency and usefulness.

Without this useful gadget, I think this is hard. I'd bid 4♠, because I know that can't be a 5-1 fit, and because if partner has a small singleton spade I'm not giving him much help in 4♥.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2009-May-06, 17:25

Trumpace, on May 7 2009, 12:02 AM, said:

How many hearts does 3H promise?

At least five, but usually six.

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What is wrong with bidding 3S?

It's not forcing. That's not necessarily bad, but we do have quite a nice hand.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2009-May-06, 17:28

My first thought was to bid 3♠ and hope that partner bids again, so we can bid 4♥.

However, upon reflection, I would be worried that 3♠ would be passed too often when we have game and I like 4♠. Our spade suit is good enough for it.
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Posted 2009-May-06, 17:33

gnasher, on May 6 2009, 06:25 PM, said:

Trumpace, on May 7 2009, 12:02 AM, said:

How many hearts does 3H promise?

At least five, but usually six.

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What is wrong with bidding 3S?

It's not forcing. That's not necessarily bad, but we do have quite a nice hand.

Thanks!

Apparently, the vulnerability information is missing from the original post. I guess that probably matters...
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Posted 2009-May-06, 17:39

I think 4♠ is pretty easy. It would be a much tougher problem with the spade ten removed.

That's a really good idea to have a choice of games bid available, I never even thought about it.
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Posted 2009-May-06, 17:47

I bid 4♥.

As for 4♦, pick a game, it is a sort of sexy bid, and thus appealing, but I don't think it is the best treatment.... we will rarely have the hand on which we want to express that particuler opinion, and we will often survive without it, whereas, opposite an unlimited hand and the lack of room we have, we HAVE to be able to bid 4♦ with, for example, AQJxxx Jxx x xxx.... or do we have another gadget that allows for this hand type? It occurs to me, and has long been my view, that opener ought never to be permitted to bid a natural, to play, 3N here... so maybe we can use 3N as a choice of games bid, and keep the 4minor as a cue in support of hearts? Or is this too weird?
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Posted 2009-May-06, 17:54

What would 3NT show? Solid spades?
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Posted 2009-May-07, 00:35

3 ♠
Yes I have nice majors, but I hate my minors and I have no idea which major will produce game.

Any gadget for this hand would be nice, but up to now I did not need it at the table.
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Posted 2009-May-07, 01:06

gnasher, on May 7 2009, 12:40 AM, said:

4♦, pick a game?

I actually play this, along with:

4♣ = Generel slam-interest with hearts.
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Posted 2009-May-07, 01:15

It kind of depends what pard expects of my hearts if I bid 4♥...

If he expects, say, 3 cards, then I guess I'm stuck with 3NT.
If he expects 2 cards, then I'll bid 4♥.
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Posted 2009-May-07, 03:25

I'd bid 4♠ here. At MPs, I'd probably bid 3♠.

Even if partner is 6-1 in the majors, playing in my suit normally make more tricks than playing partner's suit. And there is no guarantee partner has 6 cards in hearts.
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Posted 2009-May-07, 03:43

3♠
When I had bid 2♠ I thought that the ♥ shortness is a strength. Now that partner promises good ♥s this strength is gone. Before my ♠ can get a source of tricks I might have to lose to ♠K and J. If partner has short spades, he might have problems to reach my hand.
Since partner did not support ♠, he is more likely to be short there and not in the minors. My hand is a nightmare in the minors.
If partner has strong minors, he can bid 3NT over my 3♠.
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Posted 2009-May-07, 10:17

I can either bid 3♠ nonforcing or 4♥ gameforcing.

I BID GAME!
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Posted 2009-May-08, 03:33

3♠
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