[han]

AK109xx
Qx
x
KQxx

1S - 2H (GF)
2S - 2NT
3C - 3NT
??

Agree with the auction to date? Now what?

[inquiry]

han, on Dec 22 2008, 11:12 PM, said:

AK109xx
Qx
x
KQxx

1S - 2H (GF)
2S - 2NT
3C - ??

Agree with the auction to date? Now what?

i am guessing a bid is missing, or you have shown us opener's hand by mistake. I do like my 2h psyche however....

[han]

Whoops, thanks Ben, I corrected the auction.

[gwnn]

4♥?

[CSGibson]

4♥!

[cherdano]

gwnn, on Dec 22 2008, 10:49 PM, said:

4♥?

Yup this shows about 6214 with Hx in hearts and extra values. Why wouldn't you bid that?

[foo]

cherdano, on Dec 23 2008, 02:40 AM, said:

gwnn, on Dec 22 2008, 10:49 PM, said:

4♥?

Yup this shows about 6214 with Hx in hearts and extra values. Why wouldn't you bid that?

Because AKT9xx_Qx_x_KQxx does not have much if any extra values in this auction?

1S-2H;2S-2N;3C-3N;??

What about your hand have you not yet told?

Doesn't responder's sequence sound like a minimum GF w/ 5 H's? Possibly 55 in the Reds?

Do you have a trump suit that will play well opposite "x"?

Do you really want to ruff with Qx in a possibly 52 fit playing 4H?

I pass 3N

[JLOL]

cherdano, on Dec 23 2008, 02:40 AM, said:

gwnn, on Dec 22 2008, 10:49 PM, said:

4♥?

Yup this shows about 6214 with Hx in hearts and extra values. Why wouldn't you bid that?

LOL

[OleBerg]

4♥

I am unaccustomed to 2 over 1, but 2nt followed by 3nt sounds like partner is inviting slam.

At the very least he is looking for something else than 3NT, and it isn't spades or clubs.

[mike777]

OleBerg, on Dec 23 2008, 03:06 AM, said:

4♥

I am unaccustomed to 2 over 1, but 2nt followed by 3nt sounds like partner is inviting slam.

At the very least he is looking for something else than 3NT, and it isn't spades or clubs.

ok ok call me novice...
but:
1) if 2s shows 6 not random 5 then pass 3nt.
2) 2nt and then 3nt seems to show nt..simple 3nt...no slam....
3) otoh if 2s very often shows 5....I do not know but guess 4h.

[cherdano]

OleBerg, on Dec 23 2008, 02:06 AM, said:

4♥

I am unaccustomed to 2 over 1, but 2nt followed by 3nt sounds like partner is inviting slam.

At the very least he is looking for something else than 3NT, and it isn't spades or clubs.

Actually more would play that this is a minimum, and with extra values (16-17) you could jump to 3N in the round before.
Partner had plenty of room to show doubt about strain over 3♣ but he didn't, he could very well have a minimal 1543 hand. I would pass 3N.

[H_KARLUK]

Pass to 3N. I expect 1-5-4-3 (i.e. x- AJxxx- AQxx- Jxx)

[OleBerg]

cherdano, on Dec 23 2008, 10:45 AM, said:

Actually more would play that this is a minimum, and with extra values (16-17) you could jump to 3N in the round before.

Out of curiosity, and for future reference:

Is this standard?

What do you do with an even stronger hand? 4NT? And what if we are to strong for 4NT?

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Partner had plenty of room to show doubt about strain over 3♣ but he didn't, he could very well have a minimal 1543 hand. I would pass 3N.

If the above is the correct, so would I.

[gnasher]

foo, on Dec 23 2008, 08:55 AM, said:

What about your hand have you not yet told?

It's at least a king more than a minimum, has excellent shape, has spades that will play for one loser opposite a small singleton, has a better than average heart holding, and may have an unshown sixth spade. Whether that's enough to justify a move depends on what each partner has shown already.

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Doesn't responder's sequence sound like a minimum GF w/ 5 H's?  Possibly 55 in the Reds?

Why would he bid 2NT with 5-5 in the reds?

[gnasher]

I don't think you can answer this without knowing more about what 2NT showed, in terms both of strength and of shape.

This auction isn't much of an advertisement for standard 2/1. Opener could be 6-4, 5-5 or 5-4. I think that's too wide a range of shapes.

[Fluffy]

cherdano, on Dec 23 2008, 07:40 AM, said:

gwnn, on Dec 22 2008, 10:49 PM, said:

4♥?

Yup this shows about 6214 with Hx in hearts and extra values. Why wouldn't you bid that?

If you have extras you should start with 3♣, at least on my style.


On the given problem I pass.

[foo]

gnasher, on Dec 23 2008, 04:19 AM, said:

foo, on Dec 23 2008, 08:55 AM, said:

What about your hand have you not yet told?

It's at least a king more than a minimum, has excellent shape, has spades that will play for one loser opposite a small singleton, has a better than average heart holding, and may have an unshown sixth spade. Whether that's enough to justify a move depends on what each partner has shown already.

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Doesn't responder's sequence sound like a minimum GF w/ 5 H's?  Possibly 55 in the Reds?

Why would he bid 2N with 5-5 in the reds?

AKT9xx_Qx_x_KQxx

Is a 4 control, IOW "average" controls, albeit shapely 14 count.

An average 14 count is "at least a king more than a minimum"? You routinely open all 11 counts? Is not the more usual minimum range for an opening bid in SA or 2/1 GF ~12-14 or 15?

When you bid ♠'s 2x, then bid ♣'s, you showed your 64 shape (even if you play a style where 1S-2H;2S could be 5). You have no more shape extras to show.

At every opportunity, Responder has been saying "I have a minimum 2/1 GF and I am not excited about your suits". If they had even 2 ♠'s, you would have gotten a raise rather than 3N. With 4+C and extras, they would have raised ♣'s rather than bid 3N. If they had 6+H, they would have rebid them. Instead, they are bidding NT at every opportunity to throw cold water on the auction.

Your hand is not getting better as this auction progresses. It is getting worse.

Responder's most likely shapes are =1543 and =1552. But they chose not to bid their 2nd suit even though they could have done it below 3N: 1S-2H;2S-3D
That they bid NT instead implies how little they like their 2nd suit or their hand in general for play in a suit.
Responder rates to have a very minimal 2/1 GF.

[han]

Foo!

A109xxx Qx x KQxx is a king less and is an opening hand.

AK109xx Qx x Qxxx is a king less and is an opening hand.

Conclusion: this hand is a king more than a minimum.

[TimG]

han, on Dec 22 2008, 11:12 PM, said:

AK109xx
Qx
x
KQxx

1S - 2H (GF)
2S - 2NT
3C - 3NT
??

Agree with the auction to date? Now what?

I have a bit more than I might, but partner passed up the whole 3-level to bid 3N. If he wanted to suggest alternate strains, he could have, but chose not to; he may have had some doubt when he bid 2N, but 3C seems to have cleared things up for him.

I pass 3NT.

[RichMor]

1. Don't agree with the auction so far. The hand is good enought to rebid 3♣; good controls, Spade texture, upgraded Heart Queen. Nothing wrong with 2♠, but 3♣ is a little better.

2. What to do now ? Depends on what pard's sequence means.

If a direct 3NT is weaker that a 2NT/3NT two-step, then this hand should bid again. I would continue with 4♥ showing good 2-card Heart support and 6 Spades.