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#1 User is offline   Trumpace 

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Posted 2008-December-20, 14:07

You are East and you hold AT742, 7, 95, AT984. Your LHO deals and preempts 2H and RHO raises to 4 (partner passes).

Partner leads the club 3.

You see :


Scoring: IMP

Partner leads 3


Plan your defense.

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Posted 2008-December-20, 15:42

Ace, Ace, spade. I see all our winners going away really fast if we don't take them now.

If partner doesn't have K and a natural trump trick, I have no idea how we're going to do this.

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Still decidedly intermediate - don't take my guesses as authoritative.

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Posted 2008-December-20, 16:02

Hint for vuroth:
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Posted 2008-December-20, 16:19

I'll try returning a small spade at trick 2. If declarer has the king, maybe he'll play me for the queen instead of the ace.
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Posted 2008-December-20, 18:59

I'm winning the club lead... If I lead a trump through declarer, we may be able to promote a winner.

So, I guess I'd play A, A, then fire a trump through... I'm not sure we beat it, but it gives us a chance I think.
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Posted 2008-December-20, 19:16

I can't picture a trump holding partner could have that plays better with east leading than it does when north or south leads.

Are we that worried about partner being endplayed in trump?
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Posted 2008-December-20, 20:09

I would give declarer credit for two heart honours and a spade honour (partner would surely lead from KQ) for his pre-empt. I win the Ac and return a low spade betting on a wrong guess if declarer has the king. Partner hopefully has Kx or Ax in trumps.

Is this too obvious?
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Posted 2008-December-22, 14:41

eros2, on Dec 20 2008, 09:09 PM, said:

I would give declarer credit for two heart honours and a spade honour (partner would surely lead from KQ) for his pre-empt. I win the Ac and return a low spade betting on a wrong guess if declarer has the king. Partner hopefully has Kx or Ax in trumps.

Is this too obvious?

Well this is B/I problem and when this hand came up on BBO, of all tables with the lead, only 1 table seemed to have got it right, so perhaps it is not that obvious :)

Also, there is (I agree, very minor) a consideration of what to do at trick 4. What would you return after winning the A? (Assuming partner won 2nd trick and played a spade back).
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Posted 2008-December-22, 14:43

HeavyDluxe, on Dec 20 2008, 07:59 PM, said:

I'm winning the club lead... If I lead a trump through declarer, we may be able to promote a winner.

So, I guess I'd play A, A, then fire a trump through... I'm not sure we beat it, but it gives us a chance I think.

How do you expect to promote a trump trick by leading trumps through declarer? Won't he do it himself, i.e you don't actually have to lead it yourself?
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Posted 2008-December-22, 16:16

Trumpace, on Dec 22 2008, 08:41 PM, said:

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Also, there is (I agree, very minor) a consideration of what to do at trick 4. What would you return after winning the A? (Assuming partner won 2nd trick and played a spade back).


I suppose there is a possibility that lefty rounded down to 2H with AQ 7th and a barren shape (2-7-2-2) due to the vulnerability. Therefore, partner has the stiff K. I exit with anything except a trump (it may telegraph the position).
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Posted 2008-December-22, 19:13

eros2, on Dec 22 2008, 05:16 PM, said:

Trumpace, on Dec 22 2008, 08:41 PM, said:

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Also, there is (I agree, very minor) a consideration of what to do at trick 4. What would you return after winning the A? (Assuming partner won 2nd trick and played a spade back).


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I exit with anything except a trump (it may telegraph the position).

Is there any suit in particular which might work out better?
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Posted 2008-December-22, 20:23

Trumpace, on Dec 23 2008, 01:13 AM, said:

Is there any suit in particular which might work out better?


No? All 3 choices end up in dummy.

Partner cannot be void in diamonds - or we would not have been able to cash 3 black suit tricks. There is no way to promote a Qx trump holding opposite.
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Posted 2008-December-23, 03:44

Every player does not have strict shape requirements for a weak 2H opening. Can you think of a possible shape for declarer where it matters what suit you play at trick 4, after ace of clubs, spade to partner's king (or queen if declarer mis-guesses), spade to your ace?
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