[pclayton]

jtfanclub, on Aug 27 2008, 11:58 AM, said:

jdonn, on Aug 27 2008, 01:36 PM, said:

jtfanclub, on Aug 27 2008, 12:20 PM, said:

Edit:  Want to repeat- I am not reccomending this treatment.

Glad to see we are on the same page.

I really don't mind the snide remarks, but would you mind not posting only snide remarks? We already have one Han.

You new around here?

[jdonn]

pclayton, on Aug 28 2008, 10:39 AM, said:

jtfanclub, on Aug 27 2008, 11:58 AM, said:

jdonn, on Aug 27 2008, 01:36 PM, said:

jtfanclub, on Aug 27 2008, 12:20 PM, said:

Edit:  Want to repeat- I am not reccomending this treatment.

Glad to see we are on the same page.

I really don't mind the snide remarks, but would you mind not posting only snide remarks? We already have one Han.

You new around here?

Don't complain Phil! It makes for a good signature

[Wackojack]

If you play NMF, it is normal to bypass a 4 card major when you have a balanced hand. Even if you had agreed to play NMF, I believe that if your partner has a choice between an ask and a tell bid it is better to tell. Thus I think your partner was showing 4♠ +5♥ forcing. On the actual hand he could have rebid 2♦ to find a possible 4-4 ♠fit.

[neilkaz]

Wackojack, on Aug 29 2008, 07:52 AM, said:

If you play NMF, it is normal to bypass a 4 card major when you have a balanced hand. Even if you had agreed to play NMF, I believe that if your partner has a choice between an ask and a tell bid it is better to tell. Thus I think your partner was showing 4♠ +5♥ forcing. On the actual hand he could have rebid 2♦ to find a possible 4-4 ♠fit.

It's not normal for me to bypass a 4 card ♠ suit nor is it normal for my partners.

ie...1m-1♥-1NT would only be bid when holding 4♠ if the ♠ were really weak or if they were mediocre and opener was 4333.

Different strokes for different folks .. neilkaz ..

[mike777]

Wackojack, on Aug 29 2008, 07:52 AM, said:

If you play NMF, it is normal to bypass a 4 card major when you have a balanced hand.  Even if you had agreed to play NMF, I believe that if your partner has a choice between an ask and a tell bid it is better to tell.  Thus I think your partner was showing 4♠ +5♥ forcing.  On the actual hand he could have rebid 2♦ to find a possible 4-4 ♠fit.

I strongly disagree that it is standard to bypass a 4 card spade suit when balanced after 1minor=1 heart when playing NMF

I strongly disagree that even to suggest walsh style after 1c=1d and now bypass a major is standard in B/I when playing NMF.

[nige1]

PedroG, on Aug 27 2008, 03:52 AM, said:

Scoring: IMP

P-1♣-P-1♥
P-1NT-P-2♠
What should this 2♠ bid mean, we had agreed to play NMF...
With my 1NT I deny having 4♠ so any search for other major I think should be done with the 2♦ bid... also with 5/5 in the majors my partner would start with 1♠, so probably he must have something like 5/6...
Also this is akward since he force me to the three level if I must prefer Hearts over Spades, but can't be forcing since if it was forcing he should use the NMF... what is is point range for this bid... I took it has invitational.
Anyway his hand was nothing of what I expected 
But was I wrong in my reasoning?

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I don't think 1N should deny 4♠ but I agree that 2♠ should show a non-forcing 6-5 e.g.
♠ Q9765 ♥ A97542 ♦ 3 ♣ 5

[mike777]

nige1, on Aug 29 2008, 10:24 PM, said:

PedroG, on Aug 27 2008, 03:52 AM, said:

Scoring: IMP


P-1♣-P-1♥
P-1NT-P-2♠
What should this 2♠ bid mean, we had agreed to play NMF...
With my 1NT I deny having 4♠ so any search for other major I think should be done with the 2♦ bid... also with 5/5 in the majors my partner would start with 1♠, so probably he must have something like 5/6...
Also this is akward since he force me to the three level if I must prefer Hearts over Spades, but can't be forcing since if it was forcing he should use the NMF... what is is point range for this bid... I took it has invitational.
Anyway his hand was nothing of what I expected 
But was I wrong in my reasoning?

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I don't think 1N should deny 4♠ but I agree that 2♠ should show a non-forcing 6-5 e.g.
♠ Q9765 ♥ A97542 ♦ 3 ♣ 5

wow this is really surprising to me.

I would have just assumed 2s is some game force hand with spade values without discussion in B/I. As Opener, I am never stopping short of game.

[benlessard]

Why would
1m----1H------1Nt --denied 4S ?

Walsh ON or OFF opener is allowed to rebid 1Nt if he feel that its a better rebid than 1S. With AQ or better in the unbid minor 1Nt is often better than 1S.