[plaur]

Scoring: IMP

1♥ - p - 1♠ - 2♦
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(X = 3 card ♠ sup)

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Playing Stand Am what do you bid? If you bid 3♣, can you stop below game?

[P_Marlowe]

Tough question.

Actually I would say, that if you bid 3C you commit
the partnership to game, ... that is one reason why
most / lots of adv./expert partnerships play some conv.
after they have overcalled.

Scan the forum after the topic "Good/Bad 2NT" or "Lebensohl".

I would pass, playing with an intelligent partner, who takes
the opponents bid into account, without always saying "I always
believe partner, and I dont care what the opponents bid", you
can of course make the 3C bid, partner knows the amount of
points he has, 2D showed +10, and there are at most 40HCP in
the deck, he can make the math to work out what we hold, knowing
that we are sometimes are forced to strecht (he should not assume,
that the opponents hold a dead min. for their bidding), maybe we
hear a 3D bid from the other opponents as well, which would
account for at least another 5-6HCP from the 40HCP pot.

With kind regards
Marlowe

PS: I have overlooked the fact that the 2D occurred in 4th seat,
this makes the assumption, that bid is based on +10HCP a little
bit dubious, not much, but a little bid.

[pclayton]

Agree with Justin here. 3♣ definitely shows extras but isn't forcing, although partner will try to bid with an excuse.

[P_Marlowe]

Jlall, on Aug 25 2008, 03:59 PM, said:

P_Marlowe, on Aug 25 2008, 08:49 AM, said:

Actually I would say, that if you bid 3C you commit
the partnership to game, ...

uhh no offense but this is terrible advice, please do not listen to it. This is non standard, bad, and wrong.

..., I wont argue and certainly I dont play it myself this way,
but this is / was just my guess about the meaning, if one
only assumes standard.

How else do would you force to game, ... maybe via 3D.
As long as we agree it showes add. strength in standard, I
wont disagree, there will always be a fine line between add.
strength and forcing.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[SoTired]

3C is non-forcing. If opener has a powerful hand, opener can bid a GF 3D.

[neilkaz]

SoTired, on Aug 26 2008, 11:22 AM, said:

3C is non-forcing. If opener has a powerful hand, opener can bid a GF 3D.

Yes Justin's post says it all for SAYCish bidding, IMHO.

I realize this is B/I but for thiose of you who play GB2NT in this sequence, would a direct 3♣ bid be forcing showing that really good hand, or would you, as I would use a 3♦ cue bid for that absolute GF hand..ie the one that would have been happy to jump shift to 3♣ if the opps had been silent ?