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Playing inverted minor what is the expert treatment when opponrnt overcalls your partners 1m?
If over 1♦(promises 4 cards) Opponent overcalls 1♥ OR 1♠ what should the following bids convey?
1) 2♦;
2) 3♦;
3) 4♦;
4) 5♦
Will the vulnerability make a difference?
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Posted 2008-August-18, 01:37
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Posted 2008-August-18, 01:44
2♦ nonforcing
3♦ preemptive
4♦ very preemptive
5♦ extremely preemptive
to force, use the opponent's suit or 2NT.
The reason for inverted minors is to have a forcing raise of partner's suit. After they overcall, you have their suit as the forcing raise.
If they Double 1 major, normally 2NT is played as invite or better raise. The same idea can be useful if partner's suit is ♦. With the natural 2NT response, you would redouble.
3♦ preemptive
4♦ very preemptive
5♦ extremely preemptive
to force, use the opponent's suit or 2NT.
The reason for inverted minors is to have a forcing raise of partner's suit. After they overcall, you have their suit as the forcing raise.
If they Double 1 major, normally 2NT is played as invite or better raise. The same idea can be useful if partner's suit is ♦. With the natural 2NT response, you would redouble.
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Posted 2008-August-18, 04:00
as Gerben explains, inverted minor raises are off in competition.
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Posted 2008-August-18, 08:58
We actually play inverted minors over 1m-(1H), but not over 1m-(1S). But the standard is that inverted minors are definitely off in competition.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2008-August-18, 10:56
Well-explained by Gerben.
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Posted 2008-August-19, 11:53
Gerben42, on Aug 18 2008, 02:44 AM, said:
2♦ nonforcing
3♦ preemptive
4♦ very preemptive
5♦ extremely preemptive
to force, use the opponent's suit or 2NT.
The reason for inverted minors is to have a forcing raise of partner's suit. After they overcall, you have their suit as the forcing raise.
If they Double 1 major, normally 2NT is played as invite or better raise. The same idea can be useful if partner's suit is ♦. With the natural 2NT response, you would redouble.
3♦ preemptive
4♦ very preemptive
5♦ extremely preemptive
to force, use the opponent's suit or 2NT.
The reason for inverted minors is to have a forcing raise of partner's suit. After they overcall, you have their suit as the forcing raise.
If they Double 1 major, normally 2NT is played as invite or better raise. The same idea can be useful if partner's suit is ♦. With the natural 2NT response, you would redouble.
so with this hand at this vul will it be 3?4?5? OR pass?
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Posted 2008-August-19, 23:40
zasanya, on Aug 19 2008, 01:53 PM, said:
Scoring: IMP
p-1♦-1♠-?
p-1♦-1♠-?
so with this hand at this vul will it be 3?4?5? OR pass?
The vulnerability and 3 small cards in RHO's suit are both flaws that suggest being conservative in preempting. I'd probably bid only 3♦, but I can certainly imagine people bidding 4♦. 5♦ seems suicidal at these colors.
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Posted 2008-August-20, 01:03
zasanya, on Aug 19 2008, 12:53 PM, said:
Scoring: IMP
p-1♦-1♠-?
p-1♦-1♠-?
so with this hand at this vul will it be 3?4?5? OR pass?
3D.
And I think, on some days I would just bid 2D,
because of the colors, p may expect more, and
I doubt that you will really like it, if p bids 3NT
over your 3NT.
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Posted 2008-August-20, 01:20
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We actually play inverted minors over 1m-(1H), but not over 1m-(1S). But the standard is that inverted minors are definitely off in competition.
I suggest you only do this for very regular expert partnerships. The chance of forgetting seems high.
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Posted 2008-August-20, 10:16
Gerben42, on Aug 20 2008, 07:20 AM, said:
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We actually play inverted minors over 1m-(1H), but not over 1m-(1S). But the standard is that inverted minors are definitely off in competition.
I suggest you only do this for very regular expert partnerships. The chance of forgetting seems high.
I don't know about all this systems off thing. Certainly there is some merit at MP to playing the 3m raise as being still on the preemptive side over competition. LHO has three choices - bid, double or pass. He/she is going to get it wrong sometimes. True you will miss some (not very many) 3N contracts when opener was above min - but this is more an IMP consideration.
Nick
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Posted 2008-August-20, 11:42
barmar, on Aug 20 2008, 12:40 AM, said:
zasanya, on Aug 19 2008, 01:53 PM, said:
Scoring: IMP
p-1♦-1♠-?
p-1♦-1♠-?
so with this hand at this vul will it be 3?4?5? OR pass?
The vulnerability and 3 small cards in RHO's suit are both flaws that suggest being conservative in preempting. I'd probably bid only 3♦, but I can certainly imagine people bidding 4♦. 5♦ seems suicidal at these colors.
I'll show some caution at these colors and bid only 3♦
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