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Assume you are playing 2/1 with a forcing NT. Pard opens 1♠.
Lets say you have a hand with ♠KQ doubleton and an additional scattered 2-3 points.
In what circumstances would you raise to 2♠ opening, if any?
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Posted 2008-June-04, 10:27
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Posted 2008-June-04, 10:37
I cannot imagine why I would want to lie about the length of my trump support. For now, I bid 1NT.
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Posted 2008-June-04, 10:44
I voted no...
See no reason to make a simple raise even with a good doubleton...
specially since my 1NT is forcing and the 2S rebid show a doubleton...
Pedro
See no reason to make a simple raise even with a good doubleton...
specially since my 1NT is forcing and the 2S rebid show a doubleton...
Pedro
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Posted 2008-June-04, 10:56
Never, I saw Tor Helness sponors partner do this once, and Tor just shaked his head when he saw the dummy and asked why his partner couldn't just bid 1N like the rest.
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Posted 2008-June-04, 11:01
Sure, if the next opponent interferes. Even if he doubles, I'd be more likely to bid 2♠ than a non-forcing 1NT.
(Edit- this is by partnership agreement)
Other than that, um, if the next player is jumping up and down in his seat with his hand on the bidding box, maybe. I think it's more of a psyche than a judgement call outside of competition.
(Edit- this is by partnership agreement)
Other than that, um, if the next player is jumping up and down in his seat with his hand on the bidding box, maybe. I think it's more of a psyche than a judgement call outside of competition.
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Posted 2008-June-04, 11:30
Never 2S.
Curious about the scattered 2-3 HCP.
Curious about the scattered 2-3 HCP.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2008-June-04, 11:41
jtfanclub, on Jun 4 2008, 12:01 PM, said:
Sure, if the next opponent interferes. Even if he doubles, I'd be more likely to bid 2♠ than a non-forcing 1NT.
(Edit- this is by partnership agreement)
Other than that, um, if the next player is jumping up and down in his seat with his hand on the bidding box, maybe. I think it's more of a psyche than a judgement call outside of competition.
(Edit- this is by partnership agreement)
Other than that, um, if the next player is jumping up and down in his seat with his hand on the bidding box, maybe. I think it's more of a psyche than a judgement call outside of competition.
Same thoughts. I'd easily make a 2♠ raise here, but because 2♥ would show a normal 2♠ (semi-constructive or constructive) raise for me.
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Posted 2008-June-04, 12:11
Agree with Tor Helness.
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Posted 2008-June-04, 12:44
han, on Jun 4 2008, 09:30 AM, said:
Never 2S.
Curious about the scattered 2-3 HCP.
Curious about the scattered 2-3 HCP.
KQ + extra Q / QJ / K - thats all.
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Posted 2008-June-04, 14:38
Never in an uncontested auction.
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Posted 2008-June-04, 14:40
Glad no one has said KQ is as good as xxx yet lol. The missing third trump is huge for partner's evaluation.
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Posted 2008-June-04, 14:43
rogerclee, on Jun 4 2008, 03:38 PM, said:
Never in an uncontested auction.
But in the parens part he does say "in comp". So, in competition, would you ever do it?
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Posted 2008-June-04, 14:46
jtfanclub, on Jun 4 2008, 03:43 PM, said:
rogerclee, on Jun 4 2008, 03:38 PM, said:
Never in an uncontested auction.
But in the parens part he does say "in comp". So, in competition, would you ever do it?
I would do it in comp if:
I had a GOOD hand like KQ xxx Kx Jxxxxx after 1S-(2H) or something, where I felt I had to bid but could not make a X.
Or with a bad hand after 1S X w/r if I had agreed 2S showed a garbage raise and could be on a doubleton (I believe meckwell always alert that auction as could be a doubleton).
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Posted 2008-June-04, 14:51
Never uncontested, and very rarely in comp.
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Posted 2008-June-04, 14:53
i wouldn't do it in a contested auction either.
opps might end up playing the hand and p might get the wrong inferential count early. if i can show a delayed raise, that might be different...
opps might end up playing the hand and p might get the wrong inferential count early. if i can show a delayed raise, that might be different...
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Posted 2008-June-04, 15:03
I never do it ever (with one exception) and think it's quite terrible because it consistently causes partner to overbid in competition. I might well choose a 5-2 fit for game later if 3NT looks at all shaky though.
My one exception is after 1♠ (x) where I can bid 2♠ as a bad raise, because this keeps partner from overcompetiting if he is smart, and also causes the opponents to misevaluate and perhaps think they have fewer spades than they do have.
My one exception is after 1♠ (x) where I can bid 2♠ as a bad raise, because this keeps partner from overcompetiting if he is smart, and also causes the opponents to misevaluate and perhaps think they have fewer spades than they do have.
Please let me know about any questions or interest or bug reports about GIB.
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Posted 2008-June-04, 15:10
jtfanclub, on Jun 4 2008, 01:43 PM, said:
rogerclee, on Jun 4 2008, 03:38 PM, said:
Never in an uncontested auction.
But in the parens part he does say "in comp". So, in competition, would you ever do it?
No, but I do not have agreements with my partners that 2♠ can ever show a really awful hand.
I do it occasionally when partner has overcalled 1♠, particularly if RHO just made a negative double.
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Posted 2008-June-04, 15:13
I have done it, I will do it again.
Depending on the hand, it may well be always.
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Depending on the hand, it may well be always.
With kind regards
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