matchpoint decision
#1
Posted 2008-May-31, 08:19
KQ108x
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Jxx
A10xx
1H - 1S
2D - ??
Partner opens fairly light but nothing unusual. What's your call?
- hrothgar
#2
Posted 2008-May-31, 08:43
I guess I still bid 2NT but pass could easily be the winner.
#4
Posted 2008-May-31, 10:14
Given we open lite, 2h, way too weak for 2nt(12-13 I assume given we open lite.)
#5
Posted 2008-May-31, 10:29
#6
Posted 2008-May-31, 10:43
#7
Posted 2008-May-31, 11:11
#8 Guest_Jlall_*
Posted 2008-May-31, 12:28
#9
Posted 2008-May-31, 12:54
mike777, on May 31 2008, 11:14 AM, said:
Given we open lite, 2h, way too weak for 2nt(12-13 I assume given we open lite.)
Huh? 2N seems reasonable if partner's openings mean we have an invitational hand. If not, 2♥ has got to be my last choice. I'm torn between pass and 2♠, but I'm never bidding 2♥ with a stiff.
#10 Guest_Jlall_*
Posted 2008-May-31, 12:59
Rob F, on May 31 2008, 01:54 PM, said:
mike777, on May 31 2008, 11:14 AM, said:
Given we open lite, 2h, way too weak for 2nt(12-13 I assume given we open lite.)
Huh? 2N seems reasonable if partner's openings mean we have an invitational hand. If not, 2♥ has got to be my last choice. I'm torn between pass and 2♠, but I'm never bidding 2♥ with a stiff.
Agree with "what?" for bidding 2H, but I feel the same way about passing 2D. You can have a game sooo easily, or a higher scoring partscore, that I can't really imagine passing. I mean partner can still be 3541 with some extras, or have some 17/18 that wasn't quite worth a jump shift, or even some 15/16 5-5 that will bid again if we just keep it open for him.
It is really quite a view to pass, even given that partner usually has a minimum, you are just giving up on too many game hands imo. Also, if partner is minimum anyways I would imagine 2S would often score better than 2D just by virtue of it being a major suit fit. Definitely if you catch a 5-2 spade fit, and sometimes even when you catch a 5-1 spade fit.
So basically I feel like 2D caters to too small of a target and is too committal.
#11
Posted 2008-May-31, 14:05
I guess almost everyone seems to feel 2nt is "normal" despite OP saying we open fairly light. I am surprised I would have thought 2nt is normal if we open fairly sound but not if we open fairly light. But based on these posts I see almost everyone thinks 2nt wtp.
2s would have been my close 2nd choice. Pass seems too inflexible given the wide range opener can have and I would be too worried partner would bid 3nt over our 2nt on too many 12- 13 hcp opening hands.
#12
Posted 2008-May-31, 14:25
#13
Posted 2008-May-31, 15:25
whereagles, on May 31 2008, 03:25 PM, said:
ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
(not the bid, mind you. Just calling this suit playable across a singleton).
#14
Posted 2008-May-31, 15:32
(2♥ and pass, wow, people are getting very creative.)
#15
Posted 2008-May-31, 15:54
#16
Posted 2008-May-31, 16:07
OK, sure, I'd like to have more/better diamonds for 3♦, absolutely. We're talking choices between bad bids here.
I'm assuming that if partner was 2542, he doesn't bid hearts and rebid diamonds. He opens 1NT or rebids it.
If partner is 1-5-4-3, would I rather be in NT or diamonds? I like those crossed singletons, and unlike some people, I think AQT86 is one of the worst hands to hold across a singleton in NT, for its point count. You guess wrong, you have 4 losers, even if they split 4-3. KQT86 is almost as bad. You lead the singleton, you play the ten, the jack comes out. Good luck on setting up that suit.
If partner is 2-5-5-1, would I rather be in spades or diamonds? Again, I don't like the suit across a singleton, and I have (effectively) Axxx in clubs. If I ruff a club on the board, I run into the same problem. In diamonds, we have an 8 card fit, and we can either crossruff or set up one of the majors.
If partner is 2-6-4-1, well, I'm rather hoping he'd rebid hearts if he was weak. If he's stronger, he'll make another call. Game is not out of reach.
I have an invitational hand with diamond support. While normally I'd say the 'diamond support' is bad enough on this hand that it's not worth showing, the other bids at first glance appear to be even worse.
#17
Posted 2008-May-31, 16:11
jtfanclub, on May 31 2008, 03:07 PM, said:
Because at either form of scoring, but especially matchpoints, there is no way I am playing 3♦ in a probable 4-3 fit.
#18
Posted 2008-May-31, 17:00
jtfanclub, on May 31 2008, 11:07 PM, said:
?????
I would always assume that when partner has two suits he can bid comfortably, he bids them. When he has a balanced hand, he bids NT.
If he doesn't have a balanced hand and can't bid his suits comfortably, he may have to bid NT anyway. But not on this auction.
#19
Posted 2008-May-31, 17:30
FrancesHinden, on May 31 2008, 06:00 PM, said:
jtfanclub, on May 31 2008, 11:07 PM, said:
?????
I would always assume that when partner has two suits he can bid comfortably, he bids them. When he has a balanced hand, he bids NT.
I guess I think of 2542 as balanced, especially when partner bids spades. If he can be that shape (and 12-14), I guess 3♦ is out.
#20
Posted 2008-May-31, 17:41
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I hope you are not one of those who bids 2NT, folds his hand and writes the contract down before the bidding ceases - otherwise, there is considerable difference between a non-encouraging 2S and a game-invite 2N.

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