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#1 User is offline   jillybean 

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Posted 2008-May-25, 00:45


Dealer: North
Vul: EW
Scoring: IMP
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KT873
AJ2
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West North East South

 -     1    Pass  1
 Pass  2    Pass  ? 

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Posted 2008-May-25, 01:27

A good time to upgrade is when your points are working well with partner, and your fitting diamonds are gold here.

Ideal is a forcing 3, perhaps more common in the US than the UK (?). Over here I'd have to bid a 2 and then support diamonds (or raise 2NT to 3NT).

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Posted 2008-May-25, 01:40

cardsharp, on May 25 2008, 02:27 PM, said:

A good time to upgrade is when your points are working well with partner, and your fitting diamonds are gold here.

Ideal is a forcing 3, perhaps more common in the US than the UK (?). Over here I'd have to bid a 2 and then support diamonds (or raise 2NT to 3NT).

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I don't understand this at all. Just bid 3D nf invitational.
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Posted 2008-May-25, 01:56

what is range of 1d?


If sound i bid game
if junky i invite..

again another hand it seems just tell me what p opens on in first seat pls :)
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Posted 2008-May-25, 02:07

I don't think I have ever met an American player who prefers 3 forcing.

Anyway I am forcing to game and don't think it is close. I am betting that 3NT plays better from partner's side, so I will bid 2 in an effort to get him to declare.
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Posted 2008-May-25, 02:07

mike777, on May 25 2008, 12:56 AM, said:

again another hand it seems just tell me what p opens on in first seat pls :)

no agreement, you havent played with this partner long enough to know their style but it wont be complete trash
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Posted 2008-May-25, 03:20

Partner has 3- (did not bid 1), (2)3- (did not support ), 3- (did not bid 2) and an unbalanced hand (did not bid 1NT).
Not holding many 's partner won't have many stopper there.
So I don't want to be in NT.
My bid is 3.
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Posted 2008-May-25, 03:32

I would bid 2NT, not perfect but I have stopped at least. 3 will often be passed with a decent hand for 3NT and my AJ suggests that partner has something on the side.

Forcing 3? 3 is what I'd bid without K...
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Posted 2008-May-25, 05:07

At imps i think you have to force here. Give partner a M ace the K of D and a club stopper and you want to be in 3Nt. I see many complete minimum that make game and partner will pass 3D. Partner will not like his hand with Kxxxxx or Qxxxxx but game will be good.

So clear 2S for me.
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Posted 2008-May-25, 05:33

2, planning to raise 2NT to 3NT.
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2008-May-25, 05:56

Gonna force to game on this one. 2, followed by 3 unless pard supports hearts.
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Posted 2008-May-25, 06:32

I would also bid 2. But, notice that I am the only one so far to bid a black 2.

(Technically, benlessard bid "two ess" with no symbol, although it was black.)
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Posted 2008-May-25, 10:56

3D, invite.

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Posted 2008-May-25, 11:00

Two blue spades for me.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-May-25, 11:23

Upgrade
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Posted 2008-May-25, 11:39

han, on May 25 2008, 12:00 PM, said:

Two blue spades for me.

Two Spades whatever the color for me. Hopefully on the road to 3NT or 4 but perhaps even ending up in
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Posted 2008-May-25, 11:41


Dealer: North
Vul: EW
Scoring: IMP
K93
KT873
AJ2
72


West North East South

 -     1    Pass  1
 Pass  2    Pass  2
 Pass  2NT   Pass  ? 



I did upgrade, so far so good.
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Posted 2008-May-25, 11:49

Given you play IMPs, 3NT.

As it is, the opinions may or may not differ, if 2S
was already gf or not.
My guess, the NA fraction will claim it is, more
Acol influenced players will claim not.
But of course, it does not matter on the given hand.

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Posted 2008-May-25, 17:07

P_Marlowe, on May 25 2008, 12:49 PM, said:

Given you play IMPs, 3NT.

As it is, the opinions may or may not differ, if 2S
was already gf or not.
My guess, the NA fraction will claim it is, more
Acol influenced players will claim not.
But of course, it does not matter on the given hand.

With kind regards
Marlowe

I agree.

However, this is precisely why I bid two black spades. Thise who introduced blue spades have a big problem here.
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Posted 2008-May-25, 17:22

3N.
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