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Easy game force after 1♦ 2♦. Anyone who thinks otherwise either opens abnormaly light hands or needs to stop counting points on their fingers and toes and start thinking instead.
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Posted 2008-May-25, 18:05
Please let me know about any questions or interest or bug reports about GIB.
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Posted 2008-May-25, 18:54
I counted 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, many so clear GF.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2008-May-26, 10:27
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if pt has a reasonable minimum with a heart fit he can make a small try with 3hearts , as he has already limited his hand...if he hasnt , I dont want him to !; 3NT does not look likely
if pt has a reasonable minimum with a heart fit he can make a small try with 3hearts , as he has already limited his hand...if he hasnt , I dont want him to !; 3NT does not look likely
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Posted 2008-May-26, 10:40
Scoring: IMP
West North East South
- 1♦ Pass 1♥
Pass 2♦ Pass 2♠
Pass 2NT Pass .
Here's the full hand. K♠ safe from the lead, 3nt would have been a fabulous contract had I got there.
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Posted 2008-May-26, 10:49
you should have. 2♠ is supposed to be game forcing...
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Posted 2008-May-26, 11:00
jillybean2, on May 26 2008, 11:40 AM, said:
Here's the full hand. K♠ safe from the lead, 3nt would have been a fabulous contract had I got there.
So is 3NT with 3♠ unsafe from the lead
Please let me know about any questions or interest or bug reports about GIB.
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Posted 2008-May-26, 12:14
whereagles, on May 26 2008, 09:49 AM, said:
you should have. 2♠ is supposed to be game forcing...
we got to game, just not the right one
"And no matter what methods you play, it is essential, for anyone aspiring to learn to be a good player, to learn the importance of bidding shape properly. MikeH
"100% certain that many excellent players would disagree. This is far more about style/judgment than right vs. wrong." Fred
"Hysterical Raisins again - this time on the World stage, not just the ACBL" mycroft
"100% certain that many excellent players would disagree. This is far more about style/judgment than right vs. wrong." Fred
"Hysterical Raisins again - this time on the World stage, not just the ACBL" mycroft
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Posted 2008-May-26, 12:58
jillybean2, on May 26 2008, 06:14 PM, said:
whereagles, on May 26 2008, 09:49 AM, said:
you should have. 2♠ is supposed to be game forcing...
we got to game, just not the right one
oops. sorry!
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Posted 2008-May-26, 14:35
jdonn, on May 26 2008, 10:00 AM, said:
jillybean2, on May 26 2008, 11:40 AM, said:
Here's the full hand. K♠ safe from the lead, 3nt would have been a fabulous contract had I got there.
So is 3NT with 3♠ unsafe from the lead
sorry, I dont understand this
"And no matter what methods you play, it is essential, for anyone aspiring to learn to be a good player, to learn the importance of bidding shape properly. MikeH
"100% certain that many excellent players would disagree. This is far more about style/judgment than right vs. wrong." Fred
"Hysterical Raisins again - this time on the World stage, not just the ACBL" mycroft
"100% certain that many excellent players would disagree. This is far more about style/judgment than right vs. wrong." Fred
"Hysterical Raisins again - this time on the World stage, not just the ACBL" mycroft
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Posted 2008-May-26, 14:47
jillybean2, on May 26 2008, 12:35 PM, said:
jdonn, on May 26 2008, 10:00 AM, said:
jillybean2, on May 26 2008, 11:40 AM, said:
Here's the full hand. K♠ safe from the lead, 3nt would have been a fabulous contract had I got there.
So is 3NT with 3♠ unsafe from the lead
sorry, I dont understand this
Josh is just saying that it doesn't matter if North or South is declaring. If you get a spade lead through the K, East doesn't have a high enough spade to make it matter. So if East leads say the ♠8, you can just play low from the south hand. West can win cheaply, but cannot cash 5 spade winners.
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Posted 2008-May-26, 17:28
jillybean2, on May 26 2008, 01:14 PM, said:
whereagles, on May 26 2008, 09:49 AM, said:
you should have. 2♠ is supposed to be game forcing...
we got to game, just not the right one
My guess is that you rebid 3♥ and PD raised to game ? Unless he's 100% certain 3♥ shows 6, he should just reply 3NT, but why muddy the waters for him ? There's not much on these sequences in any of my books other than Washington Std, which states that 2♠ then 3♥ is GF, while 1♦-1♥-2♦-3♥ is just invitational. I guess than your 3♥ if that was your call, should really show 6, since PD could have rebid 3♥ to show 3 card support, lacking a ♣ stop or doubting NT.
From your seat, you have good expectations of running 6♦ tricks which PD doesn't know and PD stops ♣ and LHO didn't (I would've) O/C 1♠ so 3NT it is and rather clearly I am afraid.
3NT is my 3rd bid as S here