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#1 User is offline   cnszsun 

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Posted 2008-May-24, 08:24

Scoring: IMP

1♣-(2♥)-dbl-(3♥)-?

Will you rebid something now? If you pass, you partner will double again, any bid then?
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Posted 2008-May-24, 09:23

4♦ now.
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Posted 2008-May-24, 10:01

4♦ looks obvious.
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Posted 2008-May-24, 10:21

PASS! Double doesn't show diamonds, this is not 1983. Double shows 4 spades (or sometimes more with a weaker hand) and that's it, so 4♦ would show extra values that this hand isn't even close to having.

Over partner's next double you can bid 4♦.
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Posted 2008-May-24, 10:23

I'll try 4♣. Responder promises neither diamonds nor clubs, but why wouldn't we show our 6 bagger?
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Posted 2008-May-24, 10:26

pclayton, on May 24 2008, 11:23 AM, said:

I'll try 4♣. Responder promises neither diamonds nor clubs, but why wouldn't we show our 6 bagger?

Because playing a 6-1 fit in a crappy suit on the 4 level with hardly more than half the deck is bad for your score?
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Posted 2008-May-24, 10:39

Pass seems obvious to me. First alternative: Also pass.

And if you force me to do something else, I would probably not choose 4♣ or 4♦, but 3NT.

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Posted 2008-May-24, 11:03

If it's our deal, p will double again. No rush to bid now.
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Posted 2008-May-24, 11:21

Easy pass 1st round - partner's still in the auction and we don't have anything great to say about our hand (Dbl is negative, so it shows <GF w/4+spades or GF with 4S) After partner's 2nd double? I'll go with 4D
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Posted 2008-May-24, 11:35

Change my bid to a pass. Both 4♣ and 4♦ suck lol.
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Posted 2008-May-24, 11:51

Easy pass now.
Over another double both 3NT and 4♦ is possible. I'll go with 4♦.
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Posted 2008-May-24, 12:06

skaeran, on May 24 2008, 12:51 PM, said:

Easy pass now.
Over another double both 3NT and 4♦ is possible. I'll go with 4♦.

We agree.
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Posted 2008-May-24, 12:44

Agree with jdonn and his reasoning :)
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Posted 2008-May-24, 13:20

jdonn, on May 24 2008, 11:21 AM, said:

PASS!

This.
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Posted 2008-May-25, 12:58

What should double by you show. Not suggesting that I would do it (I would pass), but on a theoretical basis, what should it be?

a) take-out, usually 3 spades and extra values, short in hearts
B) Penalty
c) Optional, e.g. likely flat 18 count or so.
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Posted 2008-May-25, 15:26

Pass is usually some balanced 12-14 hand. Mine is WAY different than that, and I don't think pard will necessarily reopen this if I do pass.

I gotta bid now, and 4♦, albeit a slight overbid, seems to be the most descriptive call.
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Posted 2008-May-25, 15:26

mr1303, on May 25 2008, 07:58 PM, said:

What should double by you show.

Takeout, but it includes both pure takeout doubles (eg a strong 3=1=4=5) and strong hands that want to bid 3NT but don't have a heart stop.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2008-May-25, 15:56

whereagles, on May 25 2008, 04:26 PM, said:

Pass is usually some balanced 12-14 hand.

That's not true, it's usually a minimum but no reason that it's usually balanced, at least not by any more than you hold balanced hands vs unbalanced hands. You just invented that part out of thin air B) So since we are minimum....
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Posted 2008-May-25, 17:29

jdonn, on May 24 2008, 11:26 AM, said:

pclayton, on May 24 2008, 11:23 AM, said:

I'll try 4♣. Responder promises neither diamonds nor clubs, but why wouldn't we show our 6 bagger?

Because playing a 6-1 fit in a crappy suit on the 4 level with hardly more than half the deck is bad for your score?

Yeah, but it will really help your hopeless contract dummy technique.
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Posted 2008-May-25, 19:19

This hand is not a minimum, and you could easily defend 3H while cold for game if you pass. That said, you could just get too high by bidding 4C. I am not sure what I would do.
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