[CSGibson]

Scoring: IMP

1♥-1♠,
3♥-?

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playing 2/1, you have the following auction. Your call?

[rogerclee]

Pass.

[dicklont]

Nasty problem, in IMP scoring I bid 4♥ prepared to take the blame when it´s down.

[gnasher]

3♠. IMO this promises only five, and offers a choice of games. Partner is allowed to be 3-6 in the majors.

[andy_h]

If 3S here can be 5+S, then I choose that. Otherwise 4H it is.

[Fluffy]

pass.

[655321]

3♠

[neilkaz]

3♠ promises only 5 to me on this sequence where we are squeezed for bidding space and endplayed with no ♥ support and not even a chance of contributing to the ♦ stop. At least myu suit is headed by AJ so it PD puts me to 4♠ on 2 card support, maybe I can bring it home. Also with my two bullets, if PD rebids 4♥, I'm happy with that.

[the hog]

Pass. Not 3S under any circumstances. My pds will not have 3 card support, and even if they could have, do you really want to bid 3S on that tatty 5 carder?

[han]

3S, perhaps partner will raise, perhaps partner will bid 3NT, perhaps partner will bid 4H and on a special day partner will bid 4C. All of these I can handle.

I see this as a non-problem.

[whereagles]

I'll bid 4♣. Must be a good 55 or better, which pretty much looks like what I got.

[jdonn]

han, on May 11 2008, 11:13 AM, said:

3S, perhaps partner will raise, perhaps partner will bid 3NT, perhaps partner will bid 4H and on a special day partner will bid 4C. All of these I can handle.

I see this as a non-problem.

Completely agree, this should have been unanimous.

[effervesce]

whereagles, on May 11 2008, 12:47 PM, said:

I'll bid 4♣. Must be a good 55 or better, which pretty much looks like what I got.

4♣ looks like a cuebid to me. I'd bid 3♠. Too strong to pass, can't bid clubs, don't have the hearts to raise to 4♥, and can't bid 3NT. Partner's bid will make everything easy.

[pclayton]

jdonn, on May 11 2008, 10:12 AM, said:

han, on May 11 2008, 11:13 AM, said:

3S, perhaps partner will raise, perhaps partner will bid 3NT, perhaps partner will bid 4H and on a special day partner will bid 4C. All of these I can handle.

I see this as a non-problem.

Completely agree, this should have been unanimous.

I assume you realize that when pard bids 4♣ and you bid 5 you are raising a cuebid?

[Winstonm]

jdonn, on May 11 2008, 01:12 PM, said:

han, on May 11 2008, 11:13 AM, said:

3S, perhaps partner will raise, perhaps partner will bid 3NT, perhaps partner will bid 4H and on a special day partner will bid 4C. All of these I can handle.

I see this as a non-problem.

Completely agree, this should have been unanimous.

Concurring - and it hurts deeply to do so - with Han and Josh.

I have enough to force, and 3S is forcing. (non-forcing here at imps is a silly usage). Anything other than 3S forcing here is masterminding.

[benlessard]

3S is easy, but over 4C or 4D the only bid is 4H. Over 3Nt ill pass.

4C by you is a cue not a suit. I prefer 4H to pass. Those who cant stand raising with a void because they sometimes rebid 3H with AJ9xxx wich IMO is atrocious.

[CSGibson]

benlessard, on May 11 2008, 07:11 PM, said:

3S is easy, but over 4C or 4D the only bid is 4H. Over 3Nt ill pass.

4C by you is a cue not a suit. I prefer 4H to pass. Those who cant stand raising with a void because they sometimes rebid 3H with AJ9xxx wich IMO is atrocious.

That's kind of funny. Partner's actual hand was:

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Looking at both hands I'd probably want to be in 4 spades if anywhere, but that was doomed, as there are five spades behind the spade bidder. Luckily, I bid a blind (dumb luck) 3NT and scored it up on a spade lead and a club guess (LHO did not cover the Q when led from dummy at trick 2, but it didn't matter since the J was doubleton).

[the hog]

CSGibson, on May 12 2008, 10:19 AM, said:

benlessard, on May 11 2008, 07:11 PM, said:

3S is easy, but over 4C or 4D the only bid is 4H. Over 3Nt ill pass. 

4C by you is a cue not a suit. I prefer 4H to pass. Those who cant stand raising with a void because they sometimes rebid 3H with AJ9xxx wich IMO is atrocious.

That's kind of funny. Partner's actual hand was:

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Looking at both hands I'd probably want to be in 4 spades if anywhere, but that was doomed, as there are five spades behind the spade bidder. Luckily, I bid a blind (dumb luck) 3NT and scored it up on a spade lead and a club guess (LHO did not cover the Q when led from dummy at trick 2, but it didn't matter since the J was doubleton).

That was partner's hand? Where did this 3H bid come from. Where was the hand he held during the auction, because this is not it. That is not within semblance of a 3H bid.
On reflection, I do think my initial pass of 3H was wrong and that the correct bid is 4H at Imps. Now how would you like playing 4H with that hand opposite a void?

I found your problems interesting, but it's difficult to give a sensible answer when the actual held hand doesn't resemble what was shown in the bidding.

[655321]

The_Hog, on May 12 2008, 12:11 AM, said:

CSGibson, on May 12 2008, 10:19 AM, said:

Partner's actual hand was:

Dealer: ????? Vul: ???? Scoring: Unknown

♠ K9 ♥ AJ9xxxx ♦ KQ ♣ QT

That was partner's hand? Where did this 3H bid come from. Where was the hand he held during the auction, because this is not it. That is not within semblance of a 3H bid.
On reflection, I do think my initial pass of 3H was wrong and that the correct bid is 4H at Imps. Now how would you like playing 4H with that hand opposite a void?

I found your problems interesting, but it's difficult to give a sensible answer when the actual held hand doesn't resemble what was shown in the bidding.

Wow.

Opener has 15HCP and a 7 card suit. I find it hard to criticise a 3♥ rebid.

A 4♥ rebid by responder is just as unilateral, and probably just as bad a bid as passing 3♥. If opener wants to play in 4♥ opposite a void, he can rebid 4♥ over 3♠. Read Han's earlier response explaining the merits of the correct 3♠ response. When there is room (as here) it is usually better to get partner's input than to make unilateral decisions that shut partner out.

[the hog]

"Opener has 15HCP and a 7 card suit. I find it hard to criticise a 3♥ rebid."

Correct with a broken 7 card suit, and QT of C, and KQ of D? Your hand evaluation is far different from mine.

"the correct 3♠ response"

With Qx of S and KQJxxx of H the 3H bidder should bid 4S and not 3NT with an odd suit hole. Many also play that 3H would deny a 3 card s fit. (Though I concede that is not standard - a number of posters on this board play this.)
3NT on the given hand is no thing of joy if pd has bid 3S on xx of C, the Ace of Ds and 6 pretty decent spades.