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#1 User is offline   MickyB 

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Posted 2008-February-19, 07:10

Scoring: IMP

1♦ from you, 1♠ from partner.

What will it be?

2♦ when your hand is massive in support of a five-card spade suit?

2♥, reverse on a 12-count?

2♠, for which your most likely hand-type is a balanced hand with three-card support (we raise on any bal hand with three spades unless 3343)?

3♠ with only three-card support?

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Posted 2008-February-19, 07:21

2♠
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2008-February-19, 07:24

2S. Should be unanimous.
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Posted 2008-February-19, 07:31

I'll bid 2♠ and hope to survive. Your agreements make this slightly less attractive but it's only a non-vulnerable game.

A trump lead could mean that the hand is not as good as it appears.

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Posted 2008-February-19, 07:40

2♠ if I have 3-card raises agreed. Else 2♦.
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Posted 2008-February-19, 08:06

2S
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Posted 2008-February-19, 11:55

2♠ if I have bridge agreed. Else I quit.

Justin, kmb 2♥? :P
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Posted 2008-February-19, 12:47

2♠ unless I'm playing with someone who can't follow suit. For money.
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Posted 2008-February-19, 13:47

2S.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-February-19, 14:16

2♠ and accepting anything that moves
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Posted 2008-February-19, 15:22

This may be unanimous on BBF but it wasn't at the Junior Camrose! I was watching the Vugraph at the venue where a 2♦ rebid was chosen and went without comment. Then at the break someone approached me with a copy of the hand record and asked what I thought of this 2♥ bid which had just been made ...

But I've got to agree with 2♠.
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Posted 2008-February-20, 01:12

2♠
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Posted 2008-February-20, 04:17

2S.

Given the description of the other calls,
this is a wtp?

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Posted 2008-February-20, 04:19

david_c, on Feb 19 2008, 04:22 PM, said:

This may be unanimous on BBF but it wasn't at the Junior Camrose! I was watching the Vugraph at the venue where a 2♦ rebid was chosen and went without comment. Then at the break someone approached me with a copy of the hand record and asked what I thought of this 2♥ bid which had just been made ...

But I've got to agree with 2♠.

I would be surprised, if someone had issues with a 2D bid,
after all, you are bidding your 6 card suit.

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Posted 2008-February-20, 08:59

I do, I think 2D is terrible.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-February-20, 09:27

han, on Feb 20 2008, 11:59 PM, said:

I do, I think 2D is terrible.

If 2 ♦ is terrible, what is 2 NT, 3 NT, 4 Spade or 6 NT?
Okay not bridge, but which nice words do you have for these? (I need some vocabulary in this area)

Surely 2 Spade is the wtp bid, but don´t hang someone for repeating a sixcard suit. :)
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Posted 2008-February-20, 10:47

I bid 2♥ at the table, I couldn't bring myself to bid 2♠. Might be a reflection of the fact that I'm not comfortable with raising as frequently as we do in this partnership.

There isn't really a moral from the hand, as all routes (except 3♠, which I only threw in to make 2♥ look less ridiculous) should lead to 3NT. My 2♥ bid didn't lead to 3NT, but it should have done :P
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Posted 2008-February-20, 12:32

Mikey, do you and Alex keep your 1 level responses up to strength? Dont know if this has any bearing on the debate.

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Posted 2008-February-20, 16:44

Codo, on Feb 20 2008, 10:27 AM, said:

han, on Feb 20 2008, 11:59 PM, said:

I do, I think 2D is terrible.

If 2 ♦ is terrible, what is 2 NT, 3 NT, 4 Spade or 6 NT?
Okay not bridge, but which nice words do you have for these? (I need some vocabulary in this area)

Surely 2 Spade is the wtp bid, but don´t hang someone for repeating a sixcard suit. :)

I won't hang anyone for it, I just think the bid is terrible.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

- hrothgar
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Posted 2008-February-20, 17:13

Funny, reading all of the votes for 2♠, including the strongly worded ones, didn't persuade me that it was a good call :) I'm not saying it was a terrible call B)

This hand is anywhere from poor (imagine Jxxx Kxx xx Qxxx opposite) to huge.

Its value really depends on how well partner's hand meshes, and what rather than where his values are (the same thing, I suppose).

I suppose I can construct hands on which 2♦ misses a decent game: partner has 5 chunky spades, the suit splits and nothing bad happens and yet he has to pass 2♦

But there seem to me to be a large number of hands on which 2♠ gives up, effectively, on a diamond slam... and why can't our 6 card suit work well as trump?

We will rarely miss game via 2♦, and, if we get by this round, our bidding choices should be easy. In the meantime, even if we have some form of relay available over 2♠, we are not going to be coming close to describing our hand in terms of its playability in diamonds.

So count me in for 2♦, happily.

Over partner's rebids:

2♥ I bid 3♠
2♠ I bid 4♠ (or 4♣ if I feel lucky)
2N I bid 3♠
3♣ 3♠
3♦ 3♠


etc

Other than the minor risk of pass (I hold 12 hcp and a void and the opps are silent, so give me a break B) ) I think I have all bases reasonably covered.
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