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Balance Over weak two?

Poll: What do you bid? (29 member(s) have cast votes)

What do you bid?

  1. Pass (8 votes [27.59%])

    Percentage of vote: 27.59%

  2. Double (8 votes [27.59%])

    Percentage of vote: 27.59%

  3. 2NT (13 votes [44.83%])

    Percentage of vote: 44.83%

  4. 3D (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. 3H (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  6. 3S (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  7. 3NT (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  8. 4D leaping michaels (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#21 Guest_Jlall_*

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Posted 2008-February-13, 12:37

awm, on Feb 13 2008, 12:58 PM, said:

As a follow-up question, say you double and partner bids either:

(1) 2NT lebensohl.

(2) 3♣ natural, promising some values (typically 8 with a five-card suit to 11 or so)

What's your plan now?

If I Xed I would bid 3C over 2N and 3N over 3C
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Posted 2008-February-13, 12:57

At the table, I bid 2NT on this hand with no real confidence. Everyone passed and partner put down:

♠xxx
♥x
♦Qx
♣KT9xxxx

We were playing "systems on" so 3♣ would not have been to play. I'm sure that some people would've gambled out 3NT on this partner hand which would have been even less successful. If I had doubled instead of bidding 2NT, partner would be bidding clubs at some level. It's not clear whether partner bids lebensohl or 3♣ or some larger number of clubs (I'm happy to hear opinions on that).

In any case, we have no shot at getting to a making spot (3♣ fails on the 4-1 break despite other suits behaving nicely). With diamonds 3-3 and some mild defensive help, I managed to get down one in 2NT for -100. It seems 2♠ is beatable on best defense.

Obviously one hand doesn't prove anything, but pass is the big winner this time.
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Posted 2008-February-13, 13:09

2NT is my first preference, pass my second and third is double. If I double then I would definitely bid 3C over lebensohl.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-February-13, 13:10

awm, on Feb 13 2008, 01:57 PM, said:

It's not clear whether partner bids lebensohl or 3♣ or some larger number of clubs (I'm happy to hear opinions on that).

Hate to be a point counter but I can't see showing 8-11 with 5 points. It is very likely from partner's hand that we have some kind of strong hand that is going to X and bid something and very unlikely we have a normal takeout X shape. Partner representing his hand as a non leb will cause us to get overboard very often in those situations.
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Posted 2008-February-13, 13:11

awm, on Feb 13 2008, 01:57 PM, said:

Obviously one hand doesn't prove anything, but pass is the big winner this time.

heh, it was only lose 4 B) I think that you lose big swings and win small swings by passing (in general, of course bidding could make you go for a number or w/e), usually that's not a great bet.
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Posted 2008-February-13, 14:17

Jlall, on Feb 13 2008, 02:11 PM, said:

heh, it was only lose 4 B)

Or 0, if you couldn't find 'best defense' after 2♠ passed out.
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Posted 2008-February-18, 14:41

pass.

some famous player once wrote:
"when you are fixed, stay fixed"
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Posted 2008-February-19, 04:37

awm, on Feb 13 2008, 06:57 PM, said:

Obviously one hand doesn't prove anything, but pass is the big winner this time.

Why? They seem to be able to make 2♠. 5 spades, 1-2 diams, 1-2 hearts... 3♣ is where you want to be. The question is, can you manage to stop there?
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