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#1 User is offline   ArcLight 

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Posted 2007-December-13, 08:08

Imps All White

♠ A K x
♥T x x
♦K Q
♣A K 5 4 2

What do you open?
Lets say you open 1♣

1♣ - p - 1♠ - p
?

Now what?

2NT?
2♥?
Other?
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Posted 2007-December-13, 08:12

please, not this again. it's an obvious 2NT
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Posted 2007-December-13, 08:33

I would disagree.
It is a wtp 2 NT....not just obvious
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Posted 2007-December-13, 08:40

1T, followed by 2NT.

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Posted 2007-December-13, 08:44

I was floored finding myself finally agreeing with DA EAGLE.
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Posted 2007-December-13, 09:51

2N has been standard on this hand for at least 20 years.

Similar hands have been in MSC and it's interesting to see how view change in different eras. If this problem was presented pre-1990, you'd get a handful of votes for 3♠ and some weird votes for 2♥ when reversing into a short suit was in vogue.

You'd get plenty of players upgrading this hand to a 2N opening too.
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Posted 2007-December-13, 10:21

whereagles, on Dec 13 2007, 08:12 AM, said:

please, not this again. it's an obvious 2NT

2NT with my flat 19 count, off course !
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Posted 2007-December-13, 10:35

pclayton, on Dec 13 2007, 10:51 AM, said:

2N has been standard on this hand for at least 20 years.

Similar hands have been in MSC and it's interesting to see how view change in different eras. If this problem was presented pre-1990, you'd get a handful of votes for 3♠ and some weird votes for 2♥ when reversing into a short suit was in vogue.

You'd get plenty of players upgrading this hand to a 2N opening too.

Was there really a day when reversing into Txx was acceptable? That seems like it's asking for a world of trouble. Not here, because a partner who goes wild about hearts had five spades you can insist on...but on other hands...

I hate 2N upgrades.

For the heck of it, I can't imagine any other rebid than 2N either.
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Posted 2007-December-13, 10:59

I know with certainty Marshall Miles would rebid 3♠. I know of no one else for sure who would not rebid 2NT, if they haven't opened 2NT anyway.
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Posted 2007-December-13, 11:10

2♦ would occur to me but I prefer 2N.
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Posted 2007-December-13, 12:06

I think this one is an obvious 2nt. If you changed the hand to say
then some players might try a reverse instead.
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Posted 2007-December-13, 13:21

Easy 2NT opening for me.
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Posted 2007-December-13, 18:41

I have a balanced 18-19 count with no 5cM.

So I open 1♣, my best minor, and rebid 2NT.
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Posted 2007-December-13, 19:52

gwnn, on Dec 13 2007, 07:41 PM, said:

I have a balanced 18-19 count with no 5cM.

So I open 1♣, my best minor, and rebid 2NT.

Well stated, Csaba :blink: My thoughts, too.
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Posted 2007-December-13, 20:08

Arclight, I'd suggest reading a bridge book sometime :blink:.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2007-December-13, 20:31

finally17, on Dec 13 2007, 08:35 AM, said:

pclayton, on Dec 13 2007, 10:51 AM, said:

2N has been standard on this hand for at least 20 years.

Similar hands have been in MSC and it's interesting to see how view change in different eras. If this problem was presented pre-1990, you'd get a handful of votes for 3♠ and some weird votes for 2♥ when reversing into a short suit was in vogue.

You'd get plenty of players upgrading this hand to a 2N opening too.

Was there really a day when reversing into Txx was acceptable? That seems like it's asking for a world of trouble. Not here, because a partner who goes wild about hearts had five spades you can insist on...but on other hands...

I hate 2N upgrades.

For the heck of it, I can't imagine any other rebid than 2N either.

Yeah or even the KQ dub. Anything but 2N or a 3 card jump raise.
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Posted 2007-December-14, 00:24

Easy 2NT, unless I play one of the 2♦-conventions which includes strong balanced hand with 3 card support.
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Posted 2007-December-14, 00:59

Did I miss something, or was the KQ-tight in diamonds previously KQx?
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Posted 2007-December-14, 07:57

It was as it is now (3325) the first time I read it. It makes me surprised so many people are upgrading.

Anyone care to make a case, here or in general? Maybe my problem is the kind of things people will respond to 2N on, even not simply transferring but offering 3N (I see quacky 5332 4 counts get transferred and rebid 3N all the time opposite 2N openers).
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Posted 2007-December-14, 08:06

5th card on a good suit (KQxxx+) counts as 1 hcp. Thus the hand is worth 20 hcp and a 2NT opener.
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