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whereagles, on Dec 14 2007, 04:06 PM, said:
5th card on a good suit (KQxxx+) counts as 1 hcp. Thus the hand is worth 20 hcp and a 2NT opener.
and doubleton KQ's are 5hcp?
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Posted 2007-December-14, 09:00
and doubleton KQ's are 5hcp?
... and I can prove it with my usual, flawless logic.
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Posted 2007-December-14, 09:24
whereagles, on Dec 14 2007, 03:06 PM, said:
5th card on a good suit (KQxxx+) counts as 1 hcp. Thus the hand is worth 20 hcp and a 2NT opener.
The had as currently shown - AKx xxx KQ AK542 is nowhere near a 2NT opener.
Another version that has been suggested (AKx xx KQx AK542) is still not a 2NT opener for me.
I play 2NT as 20-a bad 22 and almost never upgrade 19-counts. Certainly not this one. With this hand as a starting piont It has to look more like
AKx
xx
Axx
AKJ109
before I'll upgrade (and to be honest, even though I'd open that hand 2NT to help getting to slam, if 1C ends the auction you are very unlikely to have missed game)
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Posted 2007-December-14, 10:29
Well, with KQ-tight in diamonds, I can live with 1♣...2NT. If the pips were better, something like A98-109x-KQ-AK98x, I'd absolutely open 2NT.
No position either way is clearly right or wrong, so long as partner knows the parameters, IMO.
No position either way is clearly right or wrong, so long as partner knows the parameters, IMO.
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Posted 2007-December-14, 13:34
FrancesHinden, on Dec 14 2007, 10:24 AM, said:
Another version that has been suggested (AKx xx KQx AK542) is still not a 2NT opener for me.
I play 2NT as 20-a bad 22 and almost never upgrade 19-counts. Certainly not this one. With this hand as a starting piont It has to look more like
AKx
xx
Axx
AKJ109
before I'll upgrade (and to be honest, even though I'd open that hand 2NT to help getting to slam, if 1C ends the auction you are very unlikely to have missed game)
I play 2NT as 20-a bad 22 and almost never upgrade 19-counts. Certainly not this one. With this hand as a starting piont It has to look more like
AKx
xx
Axx
AKJ109
before I'll upgrade (and to be honest, even though I'd open that hand 2NT to help getting to slam, if 1C ends the auction you are very unlikely to have missed game)
That example seems pretty close to being too good for a 20-21 2NT opening.
AKx xx KQx AKxxx I can't believe calling this a 19 count...
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Posted 2007-December-14, 13:40
Easy 1C opening. I see no reason to upgrade this to 2Nt
Ill bid 2D followed by 2/3S with an experienced partner otherwise ill bid 2Nt. A tactical 2H reverse is also a nice bid against weakers players but again an experienced partner is needed.
1C---1S----2D----2S
3S
1C---1S-----2H----3H
3S
1C---1S-----2D----3D
3S
These are sequence to show a 3crd raise and more often then not the 2nd is a fragment not a real suit.
Ill bid 2D followed by 2/3S with an experienced partner otherwise ill bid 2Nt. A tactical 2H reverse is also a nice bid against weakers players but again an experienced partner is needed.
1C---1S----2D----2S
3S
1C---1S-----2H----3H
3S
1C---1S-----2D----3D
3S
These are sequence to show a 3crd raise and more often then not the 2nd is a fragment not a real suit.
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Posted 2007-December-14, 15:31
jdonn, on Dec 14 2007, 02:34 PM, said:
FrancesHinden, on Dec 14 2007, 10:24 AM, said:
Another version that has been suggested (AKx xx KQx AK542) is still not a 2NT opener for me.
I play 2NT as 20-a bad 22 and almost never upgrade 19-counts. Certainly not this one. With this hand as a starting piont It has to look more like
AKx
xx
Axx
AKJ109
before I'll upgrade (and to be honest, even though I'd open that hand 2NT to help getting to slam, if 1C ends the auction you are very unlikely to have missed game)
I play 2NT as 20-a bad 22 and almost never upgrade 19-counts. Certainly not this one. With this hand as a starting piont It has to look more like
AKx
xx
Axx
AKJ109
before I'll upgrade (and to be honest, even though I'd open that hand 2NT to help getting to slam, if 1C ends the auction you are very unlikely to have missed game)
That example seems pretty close to being too good for a 20-21 2NT opening.
AKx xx KQx AKxxx I can't believe calling this a 19 count...
100% agreement with all of this.
One aside, though. I notice that you describe KQx in diamonds. I think I'm going mad, because I keep seeing an "x" pop in and pop out of this hand in diamonds.
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Posted 2007-December-14, 15:45
kenrexford, on Dec 14 2007, 04:31 PM, said:
One aside, though. I notice that you describe KQx in diamonds. I think I'm going mad, because I keep seeing an "x" pop in and pop out of this hand in diamonds.
I was quoting an example hand Frances came up with, similar to the actual hand. The hand under discussion in the problem had KQ doubleton of diamonds the whole time!
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Posted 2007-December-14, 16:28
I agree with everybody that the hand with KQ tight is not an upgrade but AKx xx KQx AKxxx is a reasonable upgrade. But then, I play 2NT as 20-21 and partner knows I like to upgrade nice 19-counts.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2007-December-14, 21:08
Ok then, for all of you fans of upgrading, my next question is:
What's the minimum with which you'll respond to a 2N opening, given yourself as a partner. Not just transfering and hoping to stop in 3M, but actually planning on ending in game of some type. Specifying situation ("IMPS red, I'll squeak out a bid" or what have you) would be nice.
What's the minimum with which you'll respond to a 2N opening, given yourself as a partner. Not just transfering and hoping to stop in 3M, but actually planning on ending in game of some type. Specifying situation ("IMPS red, I'll squeak out a bid" or what have you) would be nice.
I constantly try and "Esc-wq!" to finish and post webforum replies.
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Posted 2007-December-14, 22:06
finally17, on Dec 14 2007, 10:08 PM, said:
Ok then, for all of you fans of upgrading, my next question is:
What's the minimum with which you'll respond to a 2N opening, given yourself as a partner. Not just transfering and hoping to stop in 3M, but actually planning on ending in game of some type. Specifying situation ("IMPS red, I'll squeak out a bid" or what have you) would be nice.
What's the minimum with which you'll respond to a 2N opening, given yourself as a partner. Not just transfering and hoping to stop in 3M, but actually planning on ending in game of some type. Specifying situation ("IMPS red, I'll squeak out a bid" or what have you) would be nice.
I have passed with a lot of hands where the field knee-jerks to 3NT, for +120 or a lesser minus score. What those hands are is a difficult thing to describe. But, generally, the possession of a King is not enough to bid.
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finally17, on Dec 14 2007, 10:08 PM, said:
Ok then, for all of you fans of upgrading, my next question is:
What's the minimum with which you'll respond to a 2N opening, given yourself as a partner. Not just transfering and hoping to stop in 3M, but actually planning on ending in game of some type. Specifying situation ("IMPS red, I'll squeak out a bid" or what have you) would be nice.
What's the minimum with which you'll respond to a 2N opening, given yourself as a partner. Not just transfering and hoping to stop in 3M, but actually planning on ending in game of some type. Specifying situation ("IMPS red, I'll squeak out a bid" or what have you) would be nice.
xxxx xxxx x xxxx I would bid 3C then raise 3M to game or bid 3N over 3D.