[oojah]

(1S) P (2D) P
(2S) P (3C) X

What has partner got for the double?

[neilkaz]

He'd better have a stack of ♣ or this double makes no sense to me noting that our side passed 3 times allready and the opps are in what may be a GF auction. I suspect PD wants a ♣ lead or shift and he'd better be able to set 3♣x if this is passed out.

[Walddk]

A good club suit. 3♣ could well be three cards (even a doubleton feature), looking for 3NT if partner can stop hearts.

Roland

[neilkaz]

Walddk, on Nov 12 2007, 01:39 PM, said:

A good club suit. 3♣ could well be three cards (even a doubleton feature), looking for 3NT if partner can stop hearts.

Roland

You may wish to take a 2nd look at the given auction. The dbl of 3♣ was made by a player who passed the first time and his PD has passed twice. Once again I presume, that for some reason, he is showing a hand that wanted to overcall 2♣ on the first round, but wasn't good enough to call 3♣.

.. neilkaz ..

[FrancesHinden]

neilkaz, on Nov 12 2007, 09:15 PM, said:

Walddk, on Nov 12 2007, 01:39 PM, said:

A good club suit. 3♣ could well be three cards (even a doubleton feature), looking for 3NT if partner can stop hearts.

Roland

You may wish to take a 2nd look at the given auction. The dbl of 3♣ was made by a player who passed the first time and his PD has passed twice. Once again I presume, that for some reason, he is showing a hand that wanted to overcall 2♣ on the first round, but wasn't good enough to call 3♣.

.. neilkaz ..

I think you have misread Roland's post: he is saying much the same as you, and pointing out that the 3C bidder may not really have real clubs.

The double suggests a club lead against their final contract. You wouldn't bid 3C over 2D on some random 3235 with KJ109x of clubs, but you certainly want partner to lead them against 3NT.

[neilkaz]

Thx, Francis, I must really missunderstand Roland's post since he says the double is looking for 3NT if PD can stop ♥.

You wrote "The double suggests a club lead against their final contract. You wouldn't bid 3C over 2D on some random 3235 with KJ109x of clubs, but you certainly want partner to lead them against 3NT. "

I agree completely.

[pclayton]

It shows clubs. There's plenty of hands I can hold with a real club suit that can't compete over a 2♦ response.

[Walddk]

neilkaz, on Nov 12 2007, 10:39 PM, said:

Thx, Francis, I must really missunderstand Roland's post since he says the double is looking for 3NT if PD can stop ♥.

Where did I say that? The question was:

What has partner got for the double?

So I replied:

A good club suit ...

I apologise profusely for answering the question oojah asked. It is obviously responder's partner who should bid 3NT if he can stop hearts.

Roland

[whereagles]

In Robson/Segal style, this would be take out of clubs & penalty of diamonds. But that's impossible because opps' auction is game-forcing. You can't want to compete now and besides, you don't want to take out clubs into opps' 5-card diams or 5-card spades

I'm leaning towards dbl = "shows some clubs." Sometimes 3♣ is bid on a 3 card suit, just to create a force, so dbl as pen makes sense here.