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Posted 2007-October-10, 04:29

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Sadly, IMHO, N/S can't make 6NT.

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Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the 3.


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Posted 2007-October-10, 04:45

uh. i think they can.
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Posted 2007-October-10, 04:50

**wrong**
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Posted 2007-October-10, 04:51

I agree that the squeeze doesn't work, but there's an endplay. Cash 1 diamond, play 3 rounds of hearts, and east is toast (low club sets up a simple squeeze against him in the blacks). It's the kind of thing you might actually stumble into accidentally.

Many commentators were suggesting ducking the opening lead, and I don't see how to make it after that.
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Posted 2007-October-10, 05:13

No squeeze develops. I'll check my love's squeeze book to see if there is a theoretical reason.

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Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the 3.


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Posted 2007-October-10, 05:15

I will admit to now seeing the winning squeeze line, lest people either give me too much credit and don't look for it (yeah right), or think I'm a stubborn idiot for not considering it further.
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Posted 2007-October-10, 05:21

Pray tell me how the squeeze goes.

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Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the 3.


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Posted 2007-October-10, 07:54

it's probably a double dummy line (I had an inkling but to flesh out the details had to resort to gib :) )
if you win the first trick (this is the line karlson mentioned):
Q lead taken
A,K noting east shows out
won
x exit
east is now endplayed. if he exits a spade we get 3 spades, 4 hearts, 3 diamonds and 2 clubs
if he exits a club, we get 2 spades, 4 hearts, 3 diamonds and 4 clubs, as the spots lie favorably.

now suppose we duck the opening lead
Q ducked
exit by east, safest
cashed, east shows out
A,K,T (pitching two clubs and a spade)
to king
Q, pitching spade
to K

7. east needs to pitch a club here, otherwise spades set up and we make, west can, for now, just pitch a (we throw the 8)
to ace. now west is squeezed.

what's this called anyway? non-simultaneous double squeeze?
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Posted 2007-October-10, 07:58

Having lost 1 heart early, looks easy to get into this end position....



I don't see a squeeze here. I must be missing something.
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Posted 2007-October-10, 08:20

fairly straight forward double squeeze after west shows out in spades and east in diamonds. the double threat is clubs. This assumes you duck a heart while maintaining control for 4 heart winners and time you entries.

Or if you cash heart AK and duck a heart, EAST is endplayed and on the club return it becomes either a simple hook (if he returns teh club jack) or a simple black suit squeeze on east (if he returns a small club)
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Posted 2007-October-10, 08:40

matmat, on Oct 10 2007, 08:54 AM, said:

Q lead taken
A,K noting east shows out
won
x exit
east is now endplayed. if he exits a spade we get 3 spades, 4 hearts, 3 diamonds and 2 clubs
if he exits a club, we get 2 spades, 4 hearts, 3 diamonds and 4 clubs, as the spots lie favorably.


How do we get 4 tricks?
In any case you need 3 only. :) and your 2nd line works .After first 5 tricks are played you seem to reach the same position.
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Posted 2007-October-10, 08:42

zasanya, on Oct 10 2007, 09:40 AM, said:

How do we get 4 tricks?

yeah :)
meant 3
or something :)
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Posted 2007-October-10, 09:00

inquiry, on Oct 10 2007, 06:20 AM, said:

fairly straight forward double squeeze after west shows out in spades and east in diamonds. the double threat is clubs. This assumes you duck a heart while maintaining control for 4 heart winners and time you entries.

Or if you cash heart AK and duck a heart, EAST is endplayed and on the club return it becomes either a simple hook (if he returns teh club jack) or a simple black suit squeeze on east (if he returns a small club)

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Posted 2007-October-10, 10:12

matmat, on Oct 10 2007, 08:54 AM, said:

if he exits a club, we get 2 spades, 4 hearts, 3 diamonds and 4 clubs, as the spots lie favorably.squeeze?

Must be too early in the morning for me, how do we get 4 clubs if East exits a small club?

Small, small, Q, A.
The 9 in LHO's hand will prevent the quick taking of 4 club tricks.

What am I missing?
Is the word "pass" not in your vocabulary?
So many experts, not enough X cards.
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Posted 2007-October-10, 10:17

bid_em_up, on Oct 10 2007, 11:12 AM, said:

Small, small, Q, A.
The 9 in LHO's hand will prevent the quick taking of 4 club tricks.

What am I missing?

not much

this line actually leads to pretty much the same squeeze as the second, i think... I dunno. it was early when i wrote it B)
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Posted 2007-October-10, 13:48

Oops. I guess I played the hearts too early in my mind. Also, I thought the spade jack was the menace, not the 8 :)

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Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the 3.


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