[goobers]

Ax Axxxxx AKx Qx

KQJxx -- QJTx AKxx

6N is cold, 7N is good (which obviously makes 7S and 7D pretty good too)

Edit: Feel free to use any system you want, but I would appreciate a few standard or 2/1 auctions

[TylerE]

Playing my transfer relay precision:


1C[1] - 1H[2]
1S[3] - 2D[4]
2H[5] - 3D[6]
3H[7] - 4H[8]
4N[9] - 5D[10]
5S[11] - 6C[12]
6H[13] - 6N[14]
7N

1 - 16+
2 - GF with 5+ spades
3 - Trump asing
4 - 5 with 2 of top 3
5 - Control ask in hearts
6 - 1st round (void)
7 - Asking in diamonds
8 - AK or AQ
9 - Club asking
10 - 2nd rd
11 - Clarification in Dia
12 - AK
13 - Clarification in Clubs
14 - Q

[P_Marlowe]

goobers, on Jul 23 2007, 12:37 PM, said:

Ax Axxxxx AKx Qx

KQJxx -- QJTx AKxx

6N is cold, 7N is good (which obviously makes 7S and 7D pretty good too)

Edit:  Feel free to use any system you want, but I would appreciate a few standard or 2/1 auctions

Hi,

which side opens?

Playing some system simlar to Std. American

North opens:

1H - 1S
3H (1) - 3S (2)
3NT(3) - 6NT (4)

(1) I dont like it, but I know, I will bid
it on the table, denies a side 4 card
suit
(2) 5+, forcing
(3) stopper in the other suits, denies a
3 card suit
(4) The alternative being a quantitative 4NT
bid, given the heart void probably best
South will pass, given the misgivings he
has with regards to the 3H bid

South opens:

1S - 2H
3C (1) - 3D (2)
3NT(3) - 4NT (4)
6NT(5)

(1) shows 5-4 and add. strength
(2) FSF, asking further describtion
(3) stopper
(4) quantitative 4NT
(5) The alternative being pass, depends
what the 3C bid already did promise
and the heart void is nothing to cheer
about

With kind regards
Marlowe

[goobers]

Sorry, North deals. I hate that 3H rebid too, I think my ideas were either to open 1H and rebid 2D, or open 1N.

[gwnn]

With South as dealer it's very easy to bid the grand in relays, but with North it's tricky cause you need to find out of BOTH jacks. I'll be very honest here and confess that I might not even find the small slam here.

In std, I don't think this auction is very implausible:

1♥-1♠
2♦-3♣*
3♥-4♦
4♠-6♦

But a much nicer one is

1NT-2♥*
2♠-4NT
6NT

[skjaeran]

1♥ - 1♠
2NT(1) - 3♣(2)
3♥ - 3♠
3NT - 4♣
4♦ - 4NT
5♣(3) - 6♣(4)
7♣(5) - 7NT

(1)=18-19
(2)=transfer, showing 4+♦'s
(3)=4KC (♦)
(4)=asking for 3rd round control
(5)=♣Q

[mikeh]

skaeran, on Jul 23 2007, 03:01 PM, said:

1♥ - 1♠
2NT(1) - 3♣(2)
3♥ - 3♠
3NT - 4♣
4♦ - 4NT
5♣(3) - 6♣(4)
7♣(5) - 7NT

(1)=18-19
(2)=transfer, showing 4+♦'s
(3)=4KC (♦)
(4)=asking for 3rd round control
(5)=♣Q

I like this, altho I am far from sure that

1. opener perhaps should be accepting the diamond transfer.. he does have pretty good support... does 3♥ (by bypassing 3♦) announce good diamond support?

2. Not sure that responder should be bidding 3♠ rather than 4♣.... but probably correct to show the 5th spade.

1♥ 1♠
2N 3♣
3♦ 3♠
4♦ 4N...... is this clearly keycard? And, for me, it would be in both spades and diamonds (6 card keycard)

then your continuation.... after the keycard response, 6♣ clearly asks for the third round control, since we could ask for the king via specific king 5N.

[Foxx]

1♥ : 1♠
2NT : 5NT
6NT

And hope for a 5-1 spade break

[kenrexford]

This is a mess.

Opener will normally open 1♥, but I see some merits to a 2NT opening. On a rare day, I might open this 2NT.

Responder's first call is the only easy one -- 1♠.

Opener could now make plausible arguments, in my order of preference, for a 2NT rebid, a 3♥ rebid, or a 3♦ rebid.

After any of these, Responder knows that slam is on. What tool he uses to find answers is beyond me. He wants to bid 4NT as simple blackwood, but that's unfortunately not possible. He does not want to bid 4NT as quantitative, as he is too strong, and he does not want to use RKCB, as that will give him poor info in hearts, his void suit. An ugly mess.

However, he does have a chance. As he could simply jump to 6NT, he can surely bid 6NT after any other mess that precedes that call. His "chance" depends upon partner's call.

If partner bids 3♦, he can raise to 4♦. He is hoping for a 4♥ call. If he gets that (which makes sense on the actual hand), 4♠ is RKCB for the minor, as I play, 1430 style. His answer will be 5♣. Responder now knows that they partnership has four spade tricks (and probably five), one heart, four diamonds, and two clubs, for 12 probable tricks, needing the heart King or club Queen for the 13th. 6♣ would ask for the club Queen, which works here. If Opener does not have that, Opener will sign off at 6♦. Responder can then make a grand try of 6♥, with 6NT the sign-off.

If partner bids 2NT, this gets weird. One option in either case is to bid 4♣ as a cuebid to agree hearts, hoping for a 4♦ cue. If he gets that, he can then bid 5♦, which is not Exclusion because he would have bid 5♦ immediately with that hand. It is also NOT Lackwood because I don't play Lackwood. Granted, this might be a ghood time for Lackwood, but I only use Lackwood if the auction has been discussed. So, instead, this is RKCB (1430), but with the "key cards" being diamonds instead of hearts. Strange, but this works. The response will be 5♠, which allows the 6♣ asking bid. If partner is looking at the heart King, he will move after this start anyway. Whatever his call, you convert to NT.

If partner bids 3♥, the only hope seems to be catching partner with A-AK-A and then asking for the diamond King. That fails, so you resign to 6NT.

[mike777]

goobers, on Jul 23 2007, 12:37 PM, said:

Ax Axxxxx AKx Qx

KQJxx -- QJTx AKxx

6N is cold, 7N is good (which obviously makes 7S and 7D pretty good too)

Edit: Feel free to use any system you want, but I would appreciate a few standard or 2/1 auctions

How can anyone not bid 7nt on this hand.
1) 17 hcp across from 16 hcp equals 33 hcp
2) void in partner's longest suit
3) no 8 card or longer fit.

[Echognome]

This hand has quite a few run-ons (zoom) with symmetric and the scanning.

Starting from North:
1♣(1) - 2♥(2)
2♠® - 3NT(3)
4♣® - 4♥(4)
4♠® - 6♣!(5)
7NT

® Relays (for either shape or denial cuebids)
(1) 16+ any shape
(2) Positive, GF, 3-suited, short major
(3) 5=0=4=4 with 13+ hcp and exactly 4 controls (known exactly here)
(4) ♠A or K, but not ♦A or K (known from previous step, but have to ask)
(5) This step shows 2 out of 3 club honors, 2 out of 3 spade honors, the ♠J, the ♦Q and the ♦J, but no ♣J. The hand is now known except for the bonus ♦T. You could, in principle ask for these T's with 6♦ (the last relay for us). Hands with shortness denial cuebid well.

[EricK]

I must admit that my "standard" auction is
1♥ 1♠
2NT 6NT

Hands where responder has a shortage in opener's first suit are generally very hard to bid accurately in standard structures, and I think this is no exception - move either of North's minor suit honours into ♥ and the grand becomes much less good.

[P_Marlowe]

goobers, on Jul 23 2007, 01:46 PM, said:

Sorry, North deals.  I hate that 3H rebid too, I think my ideas were either to open 1H and rebid 2D, or open 1N.

Feel free to open 1NT with a 6 card mayor,
but refrain from asking how to survive on a
different layout.
Additional feel free to bid a 3 card minor suit
instead of rebidding your 6 card mayor suit,
but than again please refrain from asking ...

You can rebid 2NT, but this has also its downside.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[DWM]

Echognome, on Jul 23 2007, 07:40 PM, said:

This hand has quite a few run-ons (zoom) with symmetric and the scanning.

Starting from North:
1♣(1) - 2♥(2)
2♠® - 3NT(3)
4♣® - 4♥(4)
4♠® - 6♣!(5)
7NT

® Relays (for either shape or denial cuebids)
(1) 16+ any shape
(2) Positive, GF, 3-suited, short major
(3) 5=0=4=4 with 13+ hcp and exactly 4 controls (known exactly here)
(4) ♠A or K, but not ♦A or K (known from previous step, but have to ask)
(5) This step shows 2 out of 3 club honors, 2 out of 3 spade honors, the ♠J, the ♦Q and the ♦J, but no ♣J. The hand is now known except for the bonus ♦T. You could, in principle ask for these T's with 6♦ (the last relay for us). Hands with shortness denial cuebid well.

If you have gone this far surley the 6♦ bid is a must. I would be so proud to have remembered all of that I would want another round of bidding just to savour the moment.

For my try I would go along the lines of

1H - 1S
3D - 4C
4H - 4NT
5D - 6NT

Or at least I hope. The 3D bid is not that great, but in the back of my mind would be someone saying if you are going to have to lie about a bit of your hand lie about the minors. To me a 3H bid should promise a suit that is almost self sufficient.

Not an easy one to bid on standard systems.

[Robert]

Hi kenrexford

A 6322 shape with a six card major and 17HCP "opens" 2NT? What system do you play?

Hi everyone

Big Club(started out as Precision, however, very few Precision methods are still included)

1C-1H*-2C*-2D*-2H-2S-2NT-6NT

1C=16+ any
1H*=11-13 balanced(or unlikely 17-19 or 23-24 ranges) or 5+ spades
2C*=not 3 spades(unless really good heart suit)
2D*=not 3 hearts
2H=six(+)
2S=not a balanced NT, so 5 spades
2NT=you think?
6NT=my methods cannot cope with known 'no fit' and 33HCP

2/1 methods

1H-1NT*-3H-6NT

1NT*=5 spades
3H=really ugly, why not switch to a Big Club system?
6NT=I hope that partner has HCP values and not really long hearts for his 3H bid.

If Relay methods were allowed in ACBL play...

The Power System relays would get you to 7NT, I would guess? Will have to brush up on the relays 'if' I needed to bid this in a relay method.

Regards,
Robert

[Gerben42]

Quote

Ax Axxxxx AKx Qx

KQJxx -- QJTx AKxx

6N is cold, 7N is good (which obviously makes 7S and 7D pretty good too)

Edit: Feel free to use any system you want, but I would appreciate a few standard or 2/1 auctions

Fantunes on these kinds of hands means basically using 2/1 with gadgets...

1♥
1NT (5+♠)
2♥ (13 - 17, give me intermediates and I bid stronger)
3♣ (natural GF)
3♦ (3 cards)
4♦ (Tell me about KC)
4♥ (1/4)
4NT (Tell me about Kings)
5♦ (no side Kings)
6♣ (tell me about ♣ values)
6NT (got the Q but that's it, what more do you expect!)
7NT (I count 5 + 1 + 4 + 3 = 13)

[kenrexford]

Robert, on Jul 24 2007, 08:34 AM, said:

Hi kenrexford

A 6322 shape with a six card major and 17HCP "opens" 2NT? What system do you play?

This is actually an interesting question, in and of itself.

The hand has 17 HCP's with 7 controls. Using the "3 1/3 Count" (still cannot remember from whom -- maybe Klinger), the notrump playing strength of this hand is:

7(3.3333)=23.3333
23.3333-17=6.3333
Add +2 for a 6.3333 positive difference
HCP adjuested = 19.
2NT shows, as I play, 19+ to 21.
"19+" means a trick source, and a six-card suit, even a major, is a trick source.

Thus, the hand evaluates as strong enough for a 2NT opening in playing strength, as I evaluate hands. There are three major problems:

1. Aces-and-spaces sometimes suggests suit contracts. When in doubt, this is a factor.
2. The trick source seems too weak as to body. Ax-AQxxxx-Kxx-Ax would be better. A1098xx would be better, for that matter.
3. Six-card major holdings are also a "when in doubt" concern.

This hand does not look like the hand that I would bid 2NT with 17 HCP and a six-card major, but these do exist.

[Fluffy]

Whatever I try I lose the control of the bidding at some point.

The best I found: 2/1

1♥-1♠
2♦*-4♦
4♥-4NT
5♣-7♦
ps?/7♠?/7N?


2♦* best minor when 15/17 balanced.

[inquiry]

goobers, on Jul 23 2007, 12:37 PM, said:

Ax Axxxxx AKx Qx

KQJxx -- QJTx AKxx

6N is cold, 7N is good (which obviously makes 7S and 7D pretty good too)

Edit: Feel free to use any system you want, but I would appreciate a few standard or 2/1 auctions

If south opens, a simple auction for me would be (more asking is possible, but seems reasonable gamble here to bid 7NT).

2C - 2D
2N (1) - 3C (2)
3D (3) - 3H (2)
4D (5) - 7NT

2C = can be strong 3 suiter 15+ hcp, 5+ controls, 5 or fewer losers. With five losers, have good intermediates.

• strong 3 suiter
  
• inquiry
  
• 4/5 losers, short in hearts
  
• inquiry
  
• 4 losers, 5044 any five card suit, but sure heart void

This is from Chris Ryal's cavendish webpage, but I have two post on the method here...
http://forums.bridgebase.com/index.php?sho...indpost&p=10168

http://forums.bridgebase.com/index.php?sho...indpost&p=31145

With north opening such a toy is not available to me. But I do use 1NT to show 5S (like gerben did), but this hand is good enough for my 2C rebid as opener. 3C shows a "two suiter" so the six key card blackwood becomes available (balanced hand opposite a known "two suiter".

1H - 1NT
2C - 2D
2NT (1) - 3C (2)
3NT (3) - 4D (4)
4S (5) - 4NT (6)
5C (7) - 5D (8)
5S (9) - 6D (10)
6H (11) - 7NT
Pass

1NT = 5+♠s
2C = ritong
2D = waiting
1 = balanced 17-19, doubleton spade 96% time 2S shows similar hand 3 spades
2 = GF, suit
3 = natural
4 = forcing
5 = Hx
6 = two suit RKCB
7 = three key cards for black suits
8 = queens?
9 = lower queen (club)
10 = 6D is specific king ask
11 = 6H = diamond king, no diamond queen
12 = you have something like Ax Axxxx AKx Qxx or you could have another heart and one fewer in either minor.