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#1 User is offline   Gerben42 

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Posted 2007-July-19, 03:03

Scoring: IMP


Auction (starting with East):

W.... N.... E.... S
...........Pass Pass
1.. 2.. 4*. Pass
4 5.. 5.. 6
Pass** Pass Dbl Pass
Pass Pass

* Fit-showing jump
** Forcing

6x =, NS 1660.
6 makes.

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Posted 2007-July-19, 03:49

Hard to believe West's bidding with a superb D fit and a H void. I would have bid 4H over 4D.
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Posted 2007-July-19, 03:53

Agree with Ron. After W's failure to show a heart control it's difficult to take out the final double because the control may be lacking (not very likely, though). After 4 East will probably bid the slam.

Nice illustration of LOTT adjustments: Double fit, pure hands, no shortness dublication. 21 trumps but apparently 24 tricks.
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Posted 2007-July-19, 03:54

Hi,

nothing went wrong, west was not prepared to
pay the insurrance.
Ask him a similar question, if he would bid 4S
over 4H, and he will most likely bid 4S.

Dont get me wrong, I may have passed as well.
I would say East did all he could, maybe double
was not necessary, but it did not matter in the end.

With kind regards
Marlowe

PS: East is a passed hand, so I can understand 4S,
a lazy bid maybe.
With kind regards
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Posted 2007-July-19, 04:00

West didn't look at his hand during the auction
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Posted 2007-July-19, 05:18

West knows there is a double-fit and can show his control with an easy 4.
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Posted 2007-July-19, 05:36

Even after Wests first mistake I don't think its best leaving P to make the 6 level choice.

East has already shown with the 5 bid that they are more offensive than defensive. Therefore with the void I would bid 6
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Posted 2007-July-19, 06:06

I imagine West forget the fit bid agreement. If he thinks 4 is a splinter, his bidding makes much more sense.
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Posted 2007-July-19, 06:07

West is nuts...
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Posted 2007-July-19, 08:05

west had the perfect hand for fit jumps, no defense and a huge double fit and offense, and then his partner even bid FIVE spades and he still did this lol.
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Posted 2007-July-19, 10:23

I agree with other posters that west had an obvious 4 call over 4.
Nonetheless, in this sequence I'd never ever consider passing 6 even at gunpoint. The hand is screaming for 6. It's just so patently obvious IMO.
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Posted 2007-July-19, 12:39

I have said it before in other threads and I will say it again here.

At IMPs, when both sides have a fit (in this case a double fit), it (almost) always pays to bid one more.

No experienced IMP player would ever defend 6H on these cards. You must bid 6S. Even if both contracts go down, you have not lost much. But if either (or both) contract makes, then you are way ahead.

There are so many examples of hands like this one from North American Championship play and World Championship play where it is right to "bid one more" that it is hard to believe that this error keeps on happening.

This is a much more difficult problem at matchpoints, but the problem did not arise at matchpoints.
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Posted 2007-July-19, 13:56

Hell, I would be glad I got another chance to get to 6S after my attempted signoff in 4.
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Posted 2007-July-19, 21:59

In fact East has bid his hand very well but West is in la-la land.

The double by East of 6H over West's forcing pass I would take as establishing the likelihood (and fact in this instance) of East's 2 losing H. However that position should never have been reached on this hand.

As Ron & Frances point out, the fact that West is holding a huge double fit in D &S after East shows his FSJ and then considerable extra distribution with 5S should make bidding 6S automatic.

I would have more respect for West had he held a 6thS and the CA instead of the Q when the forcing pass could have been used to look for 7S!!! when he pulls the double of 6H to 6S (although the only expert explanation for his 4S bid could be a knowledge of the opponents' habits and an expectation of being doubled ie sandbagging).

East has defined his hand extremely tightly by the FSJ and then the bid 5S: West was dead at the wheel with all the information and need to make calls (maybe he was a client??)

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Posted 2007-July-20, 00:28

While I agree that West's 4 was an awful bid when he already knows about the double fit, I don't think East has any right to bid 5 here - he doesn't know about the double fit and his partner has made the weakest possible bid in this auction (i.e. immediately bidding the agreed suit at the level they have been forced to). After all, the hand could be a secondary suit misfit and partner might be planning to double 5.

Of course, once East does bid 5 then bidding on with the West hand becomes even more imperative.
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