[Fluffy]

♠A1052
♥KQ1063
♦7
♣A92


RHO opens 1♦ and then it goes

1♥-2♦
2♠-3♦
??-4♥
??

[skjaeran]

Is it me and partner bidding and opps quiet after RHO opened, or is it me and RHO bidding with lefty and partner silent? I thought opps were silent, but those reopen choices confuse me.

[Fluffy]

sorry, RHO opened, but that is all the opponent's action for the bidding

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

3D asks for a (half-) stopper, and it still does
not set hearts or spades as trumps, I
will bid 3H, to deny one, and pass partners
4H bid.

For those, who believe, hearts or spade are
agreed, I would like to ask the question, how
else to ask for a half stopper in diamonds.

In this regard, it is even possible, that partner
passes 3H, not likely, but possible.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[mike777]

4clbs and then pass seems clear. Partner asks me to bid my hand and I do. Next!

(1d)=1h=p=2d
p===2s=p=3d
p===4c=p=4h
p====p

[Apollo81]

mike777, on Jun 25 2007, 08:00 AM, said:

4clbs and then pass seems clear.

I'm not sure whether I'd bid 3♥ or 4♣ at my third turn, but I 'm sure I'd pass 4♥ in either case.

[han]

Agree with some call followed by pass.

[cherdano]

P_Marlowe, on Jun 25 2007, 05:40 AM, said:

3D asks for a (half-) stopper, and it still does
not set hearts or spades as trumps, I
will bid 3H, to deny one, and pass partners
4H bid.

Um, 2♦ set hearts as trump.
I would bid 4♣, then I definitely pass.

[bid_em_up]

P_Marlowe, on Jun 25 2007, 06:40 AM, said:

Hi,

3D asks for a (half-) stopper, and it still does
not set hearts or spades as trumps, I
will bid 3H, to deny one, and pass partners
4H bid.

For those, who believe, hearts or spade are
agreed, I would like to ask the question, how
else to ask for a half stopper in diamonds.

In this regard, it is even possible, that partner
passes 3H, not likely, but possible.

With kind regards
Marlowe

If partner does not have either a spade fit or a heart fit, where does he think we are getting 9 tricks in 3N from with our 1/2 stop (giving our side one full stop, that is lost on the opening lead)?

The only other place is clubs and we know that partner knows the clubs are not solid. He is missing the ♣Ace, so he is not expecting to play 3N on the basis of providing tricks from a good club suit, since from his perspective, there is a loser in his suit. Therefore, he absolutely must have a fit for one of our suits with the 3D bid.

I think that partner has bid his hand quite strongly, and in the context of the auction we are too good to simply bid 4C then pass.

After all, we would bid the same way up to this point if our hand was:

A10xx KQxxx xx xx (except we would bid 3H over 3D). In the example hand, we have an extra Ace AND a stiff in openers suit.

I think we should bid 4D now to show the stiff and cuebid 5C over 4H. Our hand is about as good as it can get in the context of the auction. I will pass 5H though.

[P_Marlowe]

cherdano, on Jun 25 2007, 09:38 AM, said:

P_Marlowe, on Jun 25 2007, 05:40 AM, said:

3D asks for a (half-) stopper, and it still does
not set hearts or spades as trumps, I
will bid 3H, to deny one, and pass partners
4H bid.

Um, 2♦ set hearts as trump.
I would bid 4♣, then I definitely pass.

may depend on how you play the unassuming
cue bid, but after an overcall the cue does not
set trumps, at least if a change of suit is
nonforcing after an overcall.

This is different to the case, that we have
opened 1 of a suit.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[P_Marlowe]

bid_em_up, on Jun 25 2007, 11:28 AM, said:

P_Marlowe, on Jun 25 2007, 06:40 AM, said:

Hi,

3D asks for a (half-) stopper, and it still does
not set hearts or spades as trumps, I
will bid 3H, to deny one, and pass partners
4H bid.

For those, who believe, hearts or spade are
agreed, I would like to ask the question, how
else to ask for a half stopper in diamonds.

In this regard, it is even possible, that partner
passes 3H, not likely, but possible.

With kind regards
Marlowe

If partner does not have either a spade fit or a heart fit, where does he think we are getting 9 tricks in 3N from with our 1/2 stop (giving our side one full stop, that is lost on the opening lead)?

<snip>

What do I know, partner asks and I answer,
after the board I will have a look, and see if I
can live with his decision to ask.

I dont make guesses, if I dont need to guess.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[bhall]

Partner may intend his 3♦ call, followed by 4♥, to show first-round diamond control and about opening strength. Something like Qx AJxx A10xx Kxx. If that is his hand, you will be happy to play 4♥, but if the black Q is in clubs, slam is there. If I have bid 4♣ and partner has not raised, the first holding would be more likely, so I would pass.

[whereagles]

Making 2 cues and retreating to 4♥ sounds like

"Pard, I done my duty. Now YOU bid a slam if you have a good hand in the context of your bids."

Obviously, if I believe this, I'll rate my hand as "excellent in the context of my bids" and bid 4NT followed by some nr. of hearts.

It is, however, even more obvious to PASS 4♥ if pard isn't trustworthy.

[pclayton]

Why didn't I start this with a takeout double?

[mike777]

1H was fine, endless debate about this hand type as whether to double or overcall the 5 card major.

In any case we got to bid our hand.

[bid_em_up]

pclayton, on Jun 25 2007, 01:05 PM, said:

Why didn't I start this with a takeout double?

Good question. I wondered the same thing myself.

[jdonn]

pclayton, on Jun 25 2007, 01:05 PM, said:

Why didn't I start this with a takeout double?

Wow seriously? That wouldn't have occured to me, I must admit. There are no extra values so virtually 100% of 5-3 heart fits will be lost after a takeout double.

[pclayton]

jdonn, on Jun 25 2007, 10:40 AM, said:

pclayton, on Jun 25 2007, 01:05 PM, said:

Why didn't I start this with a takeout double?

Wow seriously? That wouldn't have occured to me, I must admit. There are no extra values so virtually 100% of 5-3 heart fits will be lost after a takeout double.

I wouldn't say 100% of 5-3 heart fits will be lost after a x.

But its safe to say to we will lose a lot more 4-4 spade fits after 1♥. Secondarily, we also lose good 5-3 or even 6-3 club fits.

I'm real big on shape first in these auctions. If my spades weren't so good, I'd be a lot more concerned.

[skjaeran]

pclayton, on Jun 25 2007, 08:05 PM, said:

Why didn't I start this with a takeout double?

Because this is an obvious 1♥ overcall, of course.
(I know this is a style thing.)
In fact doubling wouldn't even touch my mind.

[skjaeran]

I voted 4♣, then pass.
But this auction wouldn't have occured if I were south. Over 2♦ I'd have rebid 4♥.