[ewj]

Scoring: IMP

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2♠ is opened on your left...(weak). You double and partner bids 2NT Lebensohl...what's your bid?

[han]

I think Frances (?) just told us not to bid 3NT over lebensohl. I'm bidding 3NT in the hope that she will explain why this is wrong. This seems a common situation and I haven't given it much thought.

[inquiry]

You can use paradox responses....

Don't bid 3♣ if you want to force if partner has clubs
If you also wouldn't want to pass a diamond suit, don't bid 3♦
If you also wouldn't want to pass a heart suit, then don't bid 3♥

Here, i would bid 3♦ i think. If partner has diamonds, ok, we might play 3D but at least he knows i have a great hand. If he has hearts, even better. At the table, I think I would bid 3♠/3NT accepting all game tries, prefering 3NT to have lead from bidder. Partner with hearts will surely pull, and hopefully with some long minor things might put is in five or six of those as well.

[mike777]

ewj, on May 13 2007, 07:59 PM, said:

Dealer: North Vul: None Scoring: IMP

♠ AT7 ♥ KQJ7 ♦ K4 ♣ AQ64

2♠ is opened on your left...(weak). You double and partner bids 2NT Lebensohl...what's your bid?

you can make this hand as tough and difficult with all the conventions wish..
I overcall 2nt. not x.

At the very least I do not give my partner a problem, she just bids her hand.

[Codo]

X is clear cut as long as you don´t play 2 NT as 19-20- and even then it could be the better call.
I bid 3 NT, I have about 8 HCPs more then promised, I must show this somehow.
Pd will pull this when he needs too.

[P_Marlowe]

Another option would be to bid 3NT direct.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Fluffy]

Bidding is 2♠-pass-pass?

At reopen position I would reopen with 3NT.

This hand s way different from the one Frances posted before, lebensohl's upper range for a player who passed a weak 2 is around 9.

[mike777]

The goal here seems to be make problems for your pickup partner.

[david_c]

This is different to the hand from the Spring Fours because there is a reasonable chance of being able to cut the hand with the long spades off by ducking one or two rounds.

On the other hand, partner's 2NT does not promise anything at all in this situation.

I would bid 3♣ at this point. I think there are some hands too strong for a 2NT overcall which are still not strong enough to bid 3NT over Lebensohl. Maybe we'll miss game this way, maybe not. But I think 3♣ is the percentage bid.

Going low also has the advantage of getting to 4♥ rather than 3NT when it's right.

[whereagles]

A friend of mine invented a convention for this situation: 3♦ shows 18+ and 4-card major(s). This gives pard a chance to bid 3♥ now with 4.

Without that, I guess I'd try 3NT....

[FrancesHinden]

I would have overcalled 2NT last round; you are allowed to be maximum for the bid sometimes.

Having doubled first, if you have agreed that 3D shows a great hand for clubs, then as inquiry says you could do that... but the majority play that 3d shows lots of diamonds and a poor hand for clubs (whether or how many extra values it shows being another matter for agreement).

On this hand I just bid 3C. If partner couldn't make a constructive (7/8 HCP+) call over the double, why am I making 3NT?

There was a hand this weekend where someone raised their partner's lebensohl to 3NT, but they had a 22-count.

[Fluffy]

FrancesHinden, on May 14 2007, 12:38 PM, said:

On this hand I just bid 3C. If partner couldn't make a constructive (7/8 HCP+) call over the double, why am I making 3NT?

Fluffy, on May 14 2007, 7:00 AM, said:

This hand s way different from the one Frances posted before, lebensohl's upper range for a player who passed a weak 2 is around 9.

Ok, I was probably wrong

[skjaeran]

It's very close between 3♣ and 3NT - a tough problem. At IMPs I'd normally bid the game.

[goobers]

I've never played Lebensohl here (pardon the newbie speaking), but as I understand it, doesn't partner deny a good hand?

We have a 19 count, but if partner has an awful hand (this is what this convention is for, right?), then we're surely not making anything, and we just accept the relay.