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#1 User is offline   pclayton 

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Posted 2007-April-22, 09:54

What is the difference in these two auctions:

1. (1N) - pass - (jacoby transfer) - 2N

2. (1N) - pass - (2♦) - pass - (2♥) - p - (p) - 2N?

Are they both for the minors, or can we build in a natural meaning to one of these?
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Posted 2007-April-22, 20:00

After the specific instance of a Jacoby Transfer to hearts, it seems that at least one of the auctions should be club-preferring, maybe even 6-4.
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Posted 2007-April-22, 20:04

kenrexford, on Apr 22 2007, 06:00 PM, said:

After the specific instance of a Jacoby Transfer to diamonds, it seems that at least one of the auctions should be club-preferring, maybe even 6-4.

Ken are you reading this right?

There isn't a transfer to ♦'s; the 1st auction is meant to read 2♦ / 2♥.

I suppose a 2♦ transfer could be doubled, and compete to 3♣ to show a minor 2 suiter; but there isn;t that luxury over a 2♥ transfer.
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Posted 2007-April-22, 20:14

There are many hands with which I would deem far too risky to bid immediately over a transfer, but when RHO limits their hand with a pass I would balance.

There are many better hands where I'd want to bid immediately.
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Posted 2007-April-22, 21:10

kenrexford, on Apr 22 2007, 09:00 PM, said:

After the specific instance of a Jacoby Transfer to hearts, it seems that at least one of the auctions should be club-preferring, maybe even 6-4.

You cannot do this because you cannot be sure the auction will go 1N P 2D p 2H p p.

LHO may bid 2H and RHO may bid 3H. LHO may bid 3H over 2D. It may come back to you at 4H.

If you could not bid immediately with a hand with both minors preferring clubs immediately then you may miss a good save, or be shut out of a game if LHO super accepts. If you choose to act even if the auction has come back to you at 3H or 4H then you will just be guessing and wont have been able to enlist partners cooperation.

If you have a good offensive hand with both minors you need to get them both in immediately before its too late. This will not happen if you have to X or pass first.
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Posted 2007-April-23, 00:43

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There are many hands with which I would deem far too risky to bid immediately over a transfer, but when RHO limits their hand with a pass I would balance.


Agree, a direct overcall shows a better offensive hand. Passing then bidding 2NT is also for minors, but worse hand
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Posted 2007-April-23, 01:27

Hi,

I would say both are for the minors.
1) 5-5
2) 5-4, after all you are in passout

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Posted 2007-April-23, 03:10

2 dN/dt of course.

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There are many hands with which I would deem far too risky to bid immediately over a transfer, but when RHO limits their hand with a pass I would balance.

There are many better hands where I'd want to bid immediately.


Agree with this. In addition, trying to agree on all such auctions before your life ends is too large a task.
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Posted 2007-April-23, 03:13

kenrexford, on Apr 23 2007, 04:00 AM, said:

After the specific instance of a Jacoby Transfer to hearts, it seems that at least one of the auctions should be club-preferring, maybe even 6-4.

Presumably you would double with better/longer diamonds, and you could agree to do that as well with equal length/quality.

Hmmm ... I would still bid 2N with 5-5 if I had no particular preference for a ♦ lead.
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