[Echognome]

Scoring: IMP

(P) - 1♥ - (P) - ?

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Partner opens 1♥.

What's your bidding plan?

[Double !]

Is there some reason (assuming playing 5-card majors) for not responding 2 diamonds. I have an opening hand opposite an opening hand.


DHL

[Echognome]

Perhaps not. Depends on how light your partner opens presumably. I agree the shortness is nice.

[mike777]

Echognome, on Jan 31 2006, 10:33 PM, said:

Perhaps not.  Depends on how light your partner opens presumably.  I agree the shortness is nice.

1S if opening light, I will decide what my next bid is later.

2D game force if opening very sound.

Those that can bid 2D non game force may or may not have an advantage on this hand.

[Kalvan14]

Even with a light opener, the good concentration in the red suits and the singleton club are worth a game force. If either of the diamonds honors had been in spades, I'd go for 1 ♠ bid.

[Echognome]

Yes. Sorry. I forgot to add 1NT and other. Unfortunately I cannot edit.

I should try to be as inclusive as possible in a poll.

[mike777]

ya with lite opening prefer 1nt..but did not want to start a debate

[bearmum]

Echognome, on Feb 1 2006, 01:19 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

(P) - 1♥ - (P) - ?

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Partner opens 1♥.

What's your bidding plan?

2♦ WTP -- playing SAYC I have a good 2♦ bid AND 2/1 I have a game force bid of 2♦


BTW I really HATE it if P opens lite in 2nd position

[mike777]

bearmum, on Feb 1 2006, 03:26 AM, said:

Echognome, on Feb 1 2006, 01:19 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

(P) - 1♥ - (P) - ?

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Partner opens 1♥.

What's your bidding plan?

2♦ WTP -- playing SAYC I have a good 2♦ bid AND 2/1 I have a game force bid of 2♦


BTW I really HATE it if P opens lite in 2nd position

Depends


In my style you do not have anything close to 2/1 game force. That is the issue! I repeat..you do not have a game force....

Yes that means in my style 2H may go down...while you are making slam try/.

[cherdano]

Huh? Mike, have you switched back to light openings again? I mean, superlight?

[Chamaco]

I think that, evem if the opener can be as low as a shapely 10 count, this hand should be a GF, given the sure fit in hearts.

IMO 2 light opening hands (unless "light" is defined as 8-10 range) should drive to game when fit is there.

I think this tactics *might* lose some boards at matchpoints pairs, but that it should be a bigtime winner at IMPS (which is the specified form of scoring here).

[Gerben42]

Either this hand is worth a GF or your opening style is so light that you really shouldn't be playing 2/1 GF but a lighter 2/1 style. Either way, I bid 2♦.

[Gerben42]

Either this hand is worth a GF or your opening style is so light that you really shouldn't be playing 2/1 GF but a lighter 2/1 style. Either way, I bid 2♦.

[hrothgar]

Double !, on Feb 1 2006, 06:31 AM, said:

Is there some reason (assuming playing 5-card majors) for not responding 2 diamonds. I have an opening hand opposite an opening hand.


DHL

You and your partner could be playing MAFIA...

A 1♠ response would be standard in many parts of the world (Poland for example)

[whereagles]

C'mon... this is worth a GF 2/1 response opposite ANY natural 1M opening except perhaps a strong pass 8-12 1M opening bid.

So what if pard opens light? Most of the time, like 95%, he won't be that light. To complicate your auction just to cater for a hand that comes up 5% of the time seems bad strategy to me.

[coyot]

Since I play 1♠ as definitely forcing, I would prefer this bid to GF if partner tends to open lightly.

What could I hear as a rebid?

1NT - bid 4♥ afterwards and hope that my spade bid causes opps to misdefend

2♣ - now bid only 3♥ (showing a good limit raise), because the hands don't work well together.

2♦ - Now things look better, 3♣ GF will not hurt. I can learn about club wastage in partner's hand.

2♥ - easy 4♥ here.

Any other bid is no problem....

If I decide to bid 2♦ as the first response, I'm robbing myself of a few extra possibilities to either explore the slam or avoid a bad game. Imagine partner with 3514 distribution and measly 12 HCP...

The only risk of 1SP response is missing a slam when partner has KJx in diamonds and early spade stopper - not showing long diamonds might then be fatal.

[Echognome]

I agree with the others that it is probably worth a game force. I guess I'm scarred from my usual p's openings.

However, at the table I took this last strategy the same as Coyot. Partner rebid 2♣ and I bid 3♥ only. He raised to 4.

Opponents made the natural looking lead of a diamond and that gave us an overtrick.

[mcphee]

I look at my hand and ask myself if I would open the bidding. The answer is yes I would and therefore I TELL my partner that I have a game going hand beginning with the correct discription via 2D. It is simply wrong to begin with 1S for numerous reasons, the first being I have longer D than S and this is the message I want to send. It is my intention to play this hand in some denomination of H. As I do not have a tremendous hand (IMHO) my follow up will likely be 4H over partners expected rebid of 2H, 2N or 3D/C. For me if my partner bids 3C this shows more than a minimum opening bid simialr to sayc, at least 15 HCP as a bottom line unless 14 HCP with 2 suits 5-5 or longer that are GOOD suits. If my partner bids S over 2D this is also EXTRA values just like sayc.

I would not splinter because I do not have 4 trumps.

While it may be a small annoyance to partner that I table this hand, at least the game we hope to reach will have a chance, exactly what we want. If they have opened a trashy 11 count, it's not my fault, and I have no intention of allowing for trashy openings.

[tysen2k]

Assuming partner is usually sound, I think 2♦ is superior to both 1♠ and 1NT for the simple reason that it is a better description of your hand and allows partner to make a more informed decision if he's interested in slam.

Tysen