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Poll: What do you open? (29 member(s) have cast votes)

What do you open?

  1. 2H Muiderberg (17 votes [58.62%])

    Percentage of vote: 58.62%

  2. 1D (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  3. 1H (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. Pass (11 votes [37.93%])

    Percentage of vote: 37.93%

  5. 3D (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  6. Other (1 votes [3.45%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.45%

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#1 User is offline   kgr 

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Posted 2006-January-29, 10:36

Scoring: IMP

You play 5card Major and Muiderberg.
2H shows 5card H and 4+card minor and 6 to 11 points.
What do you open?
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Posted 2006-January-29, 10:46

Hi,

Pass.

I dont think 2H is a good idea,
partner will never buy, that you
are 6-5.

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Posted 2006-January-29, 11:02

Easy 2: V vs NV, usually this already shows 5-5...
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Posted 2006-January-29, 12:33

"Pass.

I dont think 2H is a good idea,
partner will never buy, that you
are 6-5."

Well, yes, but how will you communicate 6-5 if you pass?

Peter
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Posted 2006-January-29, 12:40

Hopefully we are playing a version where 2D means D and not the majors. ;)

Easy, 2D, weak

Vul vs NV this shows great D suit or hand with a lot of shape, often a second decent suit. Partner can bid 2nt if they want to know more.
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Posted 2006-January-29, 13:11

Clear Muiderberg opener, this would be a nasty hand playing weak 2's.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2006-January-29, 13:15

Hannie, on Jan 29 2006, 07:11 PM, said:

Clear Muiderberg opener, this would be a nasty hand playing weak 2's.

Tough hand for weak 2s? Not really. Open 2 and butt-in in diamonds later.
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Posted 2006-January-29, 13:17

pbleighton, on Jan 29 2006, 01:33 PM, said:

"Pass.

I dont think 2H is a good idea,
partner will never buy, that you
are 6-5."

Well, yes, but how will you communicate 6-5 if you pass?

Peter

Via a 2-suited overcall.

Marlowe

PS: I missed the vulnerability, red vs. green
2H is not that bad, but I trefer pass anyway,
... I would bid 2H, if this would promise 5-5,
because of the vulnerability, certainly a
reasonable agreement .
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Posted 2006-January-29, 15:12

"Via a 2-suited overcall"

Huh?

You pass, then come back in, which shows more shape?

Do I understand you correctly?

Peter
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Posted 2006-January-29, 15:24

pbleighton, on Jan 29 2006, 04:12 PM, said:

"Via a 2-suited overcall"

Huh?

You pass, then come back in, which shows more shape?

Do I understand you correctly?

Peter

Yes, that was my plan.

There has to be a reason / a flaw,
why one does not open a direct
2-suiter, when a 2-suited opening is
available.

Marlowe
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Posted 2006-January-29, 17:10

If you have a Mujderberg option, it's fine.
Otherwise, better to pass.
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Posted 2006-January-29, 18:05

"Yes, that was my plan.

There has to be a reason / a flaw,
why one does not open a direct
2-suiter, when a 2-suited opening is
available."

Your 2 suited overcalls show 6 of a minor and 5 of a major?

Peter
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Posted 2006-January-29, 18:06

Looks like a no brainer to me, 2H tells it. I am able to bid D later freely to indicate more shape if the opponents compete.
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Posted 2006-January-30, 03:51

I would open this a Muiderberg 2H every day of the week. This is almost textbook.
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Posted 2006-January-30, 08:51

2H. I'm glad I play these methods (on this hand).
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Posted 2006-January-30, 09:02

pbleighton, on Jan 30 2006, 12:05 AM, said:

"Yes, that was my plan.

There has to be a reason / a flaw,
why one does not open a direct
2-suiter, when a 2-suited opening is
available."

Your 2 suited overcalls show 6 of a minor and 5 of a major?

Peter

I'd pass first as well...yes, passing then making a 2 suited bid indicates 5-6 for me. However, my Muiderberg 2s aren't *ahem* always 5-5 even at this vul, if they were it would be an obvious 2 opener.
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Posted 2006-January-30, 09:27

At these colours, happy to have this bid!

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Posted 2006-January-31, 15:01

On this hand you can make 5D. I didn't want to proove anything. I was just wondering if 2H was the correct opening given the shape.
2H was passed around. (partner has an opening hand, 2 card H and some diamonds.)
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Posted 2006-February-01, 16:53

kgr, on Jan 31 2006, 04:01 PM, said:

On this hand you can make 5D.
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Hi,

that is the problem, if your partner needs to
take a 5-4 shape with minimum values into
account he wont make a move, ... even if he
has 3 card support for hearts.

With 2 hearts and 4 diamonds, 3 clubs,
why should partner risk the 3 level?
The 5 level is a long way to go.

If you upgrade the requirement for a 2H bid,
than the 2H bid would be perfect.
Lots of the 2H bidders on this thread assume
implicit, that 2H promises 5-5.

Marlowe
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