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Overcalls hand 4

Poll: Whats your bid (30 member(s) have cast votes)

Whats your bid

  1. 1NT (8 votes [26.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 26.67%

  2. Pass (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  3. Double (3 votes [10.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.00%

  4. Other (19 votes [63.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 63.33%

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#1 User is offline   ArcLight 

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Posted 2005-December-02, 08:48

North opens 1 Spade.



As East, what do you bid?

Please use standard overcalls, not ultra modern non-natutal ones.

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Posted 2005-December-02, 08:51

Do I wait for North to make a call?

Since this is an overcall problem, I assume North opens 1.

Then I make an offshape NT call. Again, all the strains I want for game are in the picture.
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Posted 2005-December-02, 09:05

Double.

1NT is close.

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Posted 2005-December-02, 09:14

1NT once again
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Posted 2005-December-02, 09:16

I will stick with 1NT over 1. I'm actually a bit happier now as I am more likely to have 5 diamond tricks.
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Posted 2005-December-02, 09:19

1NT
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Posted 2005-December-02, 09:27

Why is 2 not one of the poll options? Looks like a 2 bid to me :rolleyes:

1 NT may work out, but I don't have to like it
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Posted 2005-December-02, 09:31

mikeh, on Dec 2 2005, 04:27 PM, said:

Why is 2 not one of the poll options? Looks like a 2 bid to me :rolleyes:

Same for me on a 1 opening as mentioned
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Posted 2005-December-02, 09:37

Very close between 1NT and 2D. Scoring & vulnerability and who opponents are may have some relevance.
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Posted 2005-December-02, 09:42

For 2 please vote for: Other.

I should have added the 2 as one of the options.
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Posted 2005-December-02, 10:13

2D. Be nice to have a 6th diamond but this suit is fine. I don't see the reason for distorting my hand when I don't have to do so - if partner can keep the auction open I can bid NT later if that looks appealing.

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Posted 2005-December-02, 10:21

1N is OK; I'm not concerned about pard transferring to clubs, since it will be a 6-bagger or longer.

Pard will pass 2 on hands that look like a misfit where we are cold for 3N; Jxx, Qxxx, x, AJTxx.
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Posted 2005-December-02, 10:31

I hate my S but pard will get to C if I do anything but bid 2D, and I do want the D lead should they end up in C (what a surprise!) :rolleyes:
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Posted 2005-December-02, 10:52

Pass is too conservative. It this was matchpoints I would bid 1NT... partner is less likely to try to wiggle out of notrump and into clubs at matchpoints. At imps, I would over 2. My strong diamonds and overall stregth will keep off the penalty doubles I think even if thigs so terribly bad.

Since the type of game isn't given, I give both answers... pick the one based on the game being played.
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Posted 2005-December-02, 11:05

I can't really imagine passing; this is a very strong hand with a good biddable suit. Really the choice seems to be between 2 and 1NT.

While Phil is right that partner may pass 2 with some misfitty hands that make 3NT, partner can also pass 1NT with many hands like: x Axxx xxxxx xxx. A bunch of junk, but 5 is excellent. The range of hands where partner passes 2 and we have game seems rather narrow to me -- with a good 9 or 10 points partner will scrounge a call, as my 2-level overcalls are fairly sound. With less and a few small diamonds partner may raise, with 5 and an eight-count partner will probably bid. So while there are a few hands like Phil's construction, I don't think they're that common. It seems more likely to me that partner has a lousy shapely hand with a diamond fit, and can't find a call over 1NT (but we can make 5). Bidding 1NT also gives LHO the chance to bid 2 or 2 (natural and not forcing) making it easier for the opponents to compete the hand.
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Posted 2005-December-02, 11:47

I voted for 2D.
Good suit, lead direction, a side singleton, all these make me lean towards an (admittedly a bit heavy) 2D overcall.
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Posted 2005-December-02, 12:21

2 for me.

If I have a honor in replace of the low , I may choose 1NT.
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Posted 2005-December-02, 15:40

I don't understand not bidding 2D. Doesn't 1N show a balanced hand? Bidding 2D gets a lead in, enables us to compete for the partscore in diamonds, keeps game in diamonds, hearts, and NT open, and is a descriptive bid.
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Posted 2005-December-02, 15:56

Jlall, on Dec 3 2005, 12:40 AM, said:

I don't understand not bidding 2D. Doesn't 1N show a balanced hand? Bidding 2D gets a lead in, enables us to compete for the partscore in diamonds, keeps game in diamonds, hearts, and NT open, and is a descriptive bid.

Comment 1: 1NT suggests, but doesn't promise a balanced hand

Comment 2: 1NT is highly descriptive bid. 1NT immediately clarfies playing strength and the prescence of a Spade stopper. It leave partner well positioned to drive towards 3NT (the most likely game). For a change we don't even have to worry about a stiff Heart...
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Posted 2005-December-02, 16:01

Obvious 2 bid. If something, I feel this might be a slight underbid.. lol.
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