[Kalvan14]

Scoring: MP

1C - 2S - ?

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Playing SAYC. And playing it fairly standard. 2♠ is game forcing, obviously

[Robert]

Hello kalvan14

Playing Soloway(?) shifts(most strong jump shifts follow the same general idea)
The 2S bidder has a strong one suiter and will rebid 3Ss. He has a strong
5+ card suit and will rebid NT showing 'near' slam interest. The last hand type is 5+ spades and primary support for your suit. He will either support your suit or make a cue bid by bidding a new suit 'showing' shortness.

Opener is supposed to 'not' get in the way of responders bids if at all possible.
Rebidding your suit(or bididng a new suit) should show a 'concentration of values', so I would rebid 3C here.

Bidding 2NT or a space wasting 3NT would only waste bidding space. You should not want to suggest to partner that you hold a heart stopper that could play in 6NT
'if' he holds long strong spades. If he has strong spades and 0-1 hearts, 6NT may have severe problems.

You certainly should have a good play(an unlikely hand to hold opposite a strong jump shift) for slam, now all you have to do is 'not' get in partner's way.

I am just guessing that responder does not hold a NT type SJS(looking at my Ds)
and he also does not hold primary club support(looking at my clubs) I am betting on his holding long spades.

If he jumps again, that shows a solid suit and your 'xx' of spades will be great trump support.

If SJSs were not so rare and I didn't get better bidding from WJSs, I might switch back.

Playing a Big Club and WJSs, I can play one Red-1M-any-2M shows 10-12HCP with a 6+M. Stopping at the two level, if partner is passing anyway is a steady source of IMPs and MPs.

Regards,
Robert

[P_Marlowe]

2NT

That desribes the shape, and leaves partner
room to explain what he has got.

You are strong enough to take over and make
the final decision with the help of RKCB.

Marlowe

[Kalvan14]

I'm in favor of 2N, which is what I bid at the table.
Pard rebids 4♠, which is a fully autonomous suit.

[Gerben42]

I'd probably bid 2NT, but then I don't play SJS nor would I open 1♣ on this (1♦ with 4 - 4 minors)

[P_Marlowe]

Kalvan14, on Dec 5 2005, 05:06 AM, said:

I'm in favor of 2N, which is what I bid at the table.
Pard rebids 4♠, which is a fully autonomous suit.

Hi,

4S says also, p is minimum, not surprising.
Now use RKCB and King Ask, wich will give
you the chance to discover AKQ of spades
and AK of hearts.
Most likely you wont need the Queen
of spade, because if partner does not have
the queen he should have a 7 carder.

Marlowe

[Gerben42]

Notice btw that partner could have judged much easier if it'd gone 1♣ - 1♠ - 2NT. I'm loving it.

[whereagles]

I'll just bid 3♦. There is a case for bidding 2NT, since it keeps bidding lower, but I find 3♦ more descriptive. Depending on what pard does now, I'll decide whether to go for a grand or not.

[bearmum]

Kalvan14, on Dec 5 2005, 06:35 PM, said:

Scoring: MP

1C - 2S - ?

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Playing SAYC. And playing it fairly standard. 2♠ is game forcing, obviously

FIRST - playing SAYC why did U not open 1♦? (cos over a 1 level response u can bid 2NT to show 18-20)

BUT having decided to open 1♣ ---over a GF 2♠ --(which IMHO SHOULD show 16+ or 15+ AND a GREAT ♠suit) -- I NOW reverse to 3♦ --telling P I have17+ points[or should it be 18+ in SAYC?] and little support for his ♠s?

Guess if he NOW rebids ♠ I will RKCB BECAUSE the rebid says "I have a SELF SUFFICIENT ♠ suit "( I think it's AKQxxxxx at the least and should also have AK♥) -- so ALL I need to find out is DOES he have the AK♥ as well as the AKQ ♠ on the way to a slam -- and then I decide the FINAL contract

[luis]

Kalvan14, on Dec 5 2005, 10:06 AM, said:

I'm in favor of 2N, which is what I bid at the table.
Pard rebids 4♠, which is a fully autonomous suit.

Abstain. I refuse to answer questions where I'm forced to bid after a really silly auction. What the hell is 4♠ ?

[P_Marlowe]

luis, on Dec 5 2005, 10:55 AM, said:

Kalvan14, on Dec 5 2005, 10:06 AM, said:

I'm in favor of 2N, which is what I bid at the table.
Pard rebids 4♠, which is a fully autonomous suit.

Abstain. I refuse to answer questions where I'm forced to bid after a really silly auction. What the hell is 4♠ ?

4S = Minimum jump shift, with a suit playable for
one looser opposite a void.

Marlowe

[hrothgar]

Kalvan14, on Dec 5 2005, 08:35 AM, said:

Scoring: MP

1C - 2S - ?

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Playing SAYC. And playing it fairly standard. 2♠ is game forcing, obviously

If you're playing fairly "standard" SAYC, why did you ever open 1♣?

[hrothgar]

whereagles, on Dec 5 2005, 01:48 PM, said:

I'll just bid 3♦. There is a case for bidding 2NT, since it keeps bidding lower, but I find 3♦ more descriptive. Depending on what pard does now, I'll decide whether to go for a grand or not.

3♦ is a very descriptive
Sadly, it doesn't describe this hand...

You're promising 5+ Clubs and 4+ Diamonds, and strongly suggesting 1=3=4=5 or 1=2=4=6 shape.

This is an EASY 2NT bid

[hrothgar]

Kalvan14, on Dec 5 2005, 01:06 PM, said:

I'm in favor of 2N, which is what I bid at the table.
Pard rebids 4♠, which is a fully autonomous suit.

Just bid 4NT as Blackwood after 4♠

If partner has 1 Ace, bid 6NT
If partner has 2 Aces, bid 7NT

At the worst, 7NT is on a hook.
There are too many odd cards like the Jack of Clubs or the Queen of Diamonds that will make 7 golden and you aren't going to be able to make an intelligent decision playing this system...

[luis]

P_Marlowe, on Dec 5 2005, 04:34 PM, said:

luis, on Dec 5 2005, 10:55 AM, said:

Kalvan14, on Dec 5 2005, 10:06 AM, said:

I'm in favor of 2N, which is what I bid at the table.
Pard rebids 4♠, which is a fully autonomous suit.

Abstain. I refuse to answer questions where I'm forced to bid after a really silly auction. What the hell is 4♠ ?

4S = Minimum jump shift, with a suit playable for
one looser opposite a void.

Marlowe

I strongly refuse to play this horrible treatment. You have a strong hand, pd has a strong hand, the opponents don't bid and you have to preempt your own pd? Quite silly.

[pclayton]

2N for now, although I can anticipate that our problem will be when partner raises to 3N. Does pard have a chunky 15? Or a semi-balanced 18?

Soloway JS's are nice for these auctions, although they are hardly SAYC.

I have a lot of respect for Richard's 4N bash as a result of the foreseeable problems down the road with 2N.

[Gerben42]

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You have a strong hand, pd has a strong hand, the opponents don't bid and you have to preempt your own pd? Quite silly.

This is the whole point of strong jump shifts, to impress the opponents with your superior strength by jumping around. It is only fitting to jump again with a strong opening hand.

(yes I know there are some advantages to SJS)

[FrancesHinden]

I would have opened 1D.
I assume 1C was systemic with this shape, and now I rebid 2NT over 2S. I have a balanced hand, I should tell partner that.

Over his 4S call, 7NT seems blatantly obvious, but I suppose I could go round the houses with 4NT (RKCB in spades) first. A solid spade suit and nothing outside is not a strong jump shift, and in my mind neither is a solid spade suit with no outside ace, but I'm prepared to give a little leeway.

If partner thinks AKQJxxx xx xx xx is a strong jump shift, we just need to discuss methods.

[P_Marlowe]

luis, on Dec 5 2005, 12:09 PM, said:

P_Marlowe, on Dec 5 2005, 04:34 PM, said:

luis, on Dec 5 2005, 10:55 AM, said:

Kalvan14, on Dec 5 2005, 10:06 AM, said:

I'm in favor of 2N, which is what I bid at the table.
Pard rebids 4♠, which is a fully autonomous suit.

Abstain. I refuse to answer questions where I'm forced to bid after a really silly auction. What the hell is 4♠ ?

4S = Minimum jump shift, with a suit playable for
one looser opposite a void.

Marlowe

I strongly refuse to play this horrible treatment. You have a strong hand, pd has a strong hand, the opponents don't bid and you have to preempt your own pd? Quite silly.

You dont need to play Soloway jumb shifts,
there are other reasonable treatments around.
But calling the above convention silly, is a little
harsh, I would suggest you discuss this with Paul
Soloway, I am sure, you know him personally.

With kind reards
Marlowe

PS: Of course you may also discuss it with people reponsible for BWS,
because Soloway jumb shifts is part of BWS.
PS: Openers hand is quite narroly defined, and
you have still room to find out about the rest.

[P_Marlowe]

FrancesHinden, on Dec 5 2005, 12:41 PM, said:

I would have opened 1D.
I assume 1C was systemic with this shape, and now I rebid 2NT over 2S. I have a balanced hand, I should tell partner that.

Over his 4S call, 7NT seems blatantly obvious, but I suppose I could go round the houses with 4NT (RKCB in spades) first. A solid spade suit and nothing outside is not a strong jump shift, and in my mind neither is a solid spade suit with no outside ace, but I'm prepared to give a little leeway.

If partner thinks AKQJxxx xx xx xx is a strong jump shift, we just need to discuss methods.

No, AKQJxxx xx xx xx is not a strong jumb shift,
but AKQJxxxx Kxx xx x is, i.e. he may not have the
Ace of heart, but then he should have the King.

Marlowe