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Posted 2005-November-12, 13:58

2 Questions:
Scoring: IMP

You hold this hand, and RHO opens 3 in 1st seat. Do you bid some s or do you pass, hoping the bidding won't stop?

Question nr. 2 (hidden, respond to 1st question, then read this if you passed):
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Posted 2005-November-12, 14:46

pass then pass. I have a 3D opener, I am not even tempted to overcall at the 4 level, or balance at the 5 level with 7222.

FWIW you are free to bid whatever you like after 3S p 4S p p even after a long tank. It could easily be LHO who tanked.
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Posted 2005-November-12, 15:40

Jlall, on Nov 12 2005, 03:46 PM, said:

pass then pass. I have a 3D opener, I am not even tempted to overcall at the 4 level, or balance at the 5 level with 7222.

FWIW you are free to bid whatever you like after 3S p 4S p p even after a long tank. It could easily be LHO who tanked.

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Posted 2005-November-12, 21:44

I'd also pass both times. I think passing the first time is really necessary because partner will tend to hang me if I bid (i.e. if 4 makes partner will bid five, if 5 makes partner will bid six... because partner is expecting more of a hand).

The second pass I think is pretty close, and I would balance with 5 if we were favorable, or if I had 3-1 shape in the round suits instead of 2-2.
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Posted 2005-November-12, 21:49

It's an easy pass, I lack 2 aces for an overcall
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Posted 2005-November-13, 01:41

Jlall, on Nov 12 2005, 10:46 PM, said:

FWIW you are free to bid whatever you like after 3S p 4S p p even after a long tank. It could easily be LHO who tanked.

This is debatable. I think it is a lot more likely that partner tanked; whether to raise 3 to 4 is an easier problem than deciding whether to get in over 4. This would make a 5 call more likely to succeed.

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Posted 2005-November-14, 11:54

The bidding went on:
3 - pass - 4 - pass
pass - 5 - pass* - pass
5 - pass - pass - 6
all pass

(*) LHO (other side of the screen) made some comment about me using UI for the entire room, and then passed.

Partner had:
J
T9xx
AQxx
AKQT

LHO lead and I made 7.

Opponents protested my actions, filled in a cheet (it was competition, no TD available), and now we're awaiting the TD's decision. What should it be?
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Posted 2005-November-14, 12:14

First my opinion about the bids:
I pass and then pass.

About the UI case:
I think you are going to lose the board, I would rule against you, if you didn't bid in your first turn I doubt you would bid after a quick 4 and pass by your pd so you are indeed bidding based on UI, pass is a logical alternative with your hand.
Scored changed to 4 by your opponents.

BTW: Your pd's pass over 4 is quite terrible.
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Posted 2005-November-14, 12:25

It does depend slightly on LHO's hand, since the spade lead could be judged a "failure to play bridge" if he has something like AK. After all, 5 was not going to make and 6 could have been set.

If a heart lead doesn't look sufficiently "obvious" I would agree with Luis and rule against you though.
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Posted 2005-November-14, 13:02

If pard can't find a 4NT bid on that hand then you ARE taking advantage of his UI...is there a good reason why the preemptor is bidding 5S? (looking for an adjustment perhaps?) It is certainly clear that 5D was a nonsensical bid with the appropriate consequences attending :P
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Posted 2005-November-14, 15:29

Pass both times.

And please ask your partner to
double the next time he holds such
a hand, ... unless you happen to
play against me.

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Posted 2005-November-14, 22:57

Havingpassed first 5 is an option, but from theresponses you can see it is not obvious enough to do after the tempo break.
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Posted 2005-November-15, 01:53

Pass and pass

This is a 3 preempt and the shape (7222) is not very encouraging

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Posted 2005-November-15, 05:16

The problem is, when I immediatly bid 4, it means 5+ and 5+, and bidding 5 shows more strength. So pass is quite obligated in the first round.
But me and my partner agree that he should've doubled to avoid any problems :rolleyes:

Tnx all for the replies.
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Posted 2005-November-15, 06:53

Pass throughout, I don't think it's close.
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Posted 2005-November-15, 07:03

Jlall, on Nov 12 2005, 11:46 PM, said:

pass then pass. I have a 3D opener, I am not even tempted to overcall at the 4 level, or balance at the 5 level with 7222.

FWIW you are free to bid whatever you like after 3S p 4S p p even after a long tank. It could easily be LHO who tanked.

What he said...

I agree with others who said that the main problem was your partner's decision to pass his hand. I wouldn't call the bid criminal... Passing

J
Q9xx
AQxx
AKT8

would be criminal. But I don't like it...
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