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We are Vuln vs not
Opps open a first seat preempt 3H.
3H-(p)-p-(3S)
p-(4S)-5H-????
Now, is pass by the 3S bidder forcing or not ?
Would it be different if we were:
......a. all white
......b. all red
......c. we are white and THEY are red
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Another Forcing Pass doubt
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Posted 2005-October-30, 05:32
"Bridge is like dance: technique's important but what really matters is not to step on partner's feet !"
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Posted 2005-October-30, 06:22
Without a specific agreement, pass is not forcing in any. Pard could have bid 4♥ if he wanted to establish a forcing pass situation.
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Posted 2005-October-30, 06:45
I think it should be forcing regardless of vulnerability.
If RHO psyched his pass of 3♥, then sure, we may lose out. Psyches work sometimes.
If RHO psyched his pass of 3♥, then sure, we may lose out. Psyches work sometimes.
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Posted 2005-October-30, 07:05
When the opponents make it clear they don't think they can make what they bid I always believe them.
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Posted 2005-October-30, 13:42
I would usually say no, but in this case common sense dictates it must be forcing. My opponents have never passed 3H with a moose hoping I would balance red/white.
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Posted 2005-October-30, 14:18
I think forcing is clear unless playing against idiots.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2005-October-30, 15:00
What Justin said.
This isn't a forcing pass by my usual 'rules' but there's no way 5H can have been bid to make, unless he's a real loony.
This isn't a forcing pass by my usual 'rules' but there's no way 5H can have been bid to make, unless he's a real loony.
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Posted 2005-October-30, 15:23
Hannie, on Oct 30 2005, 10:18 PM, said:
I think forcing is clear unless playing against idiots.
Lol. Frances, didn't you once post that for you pass is forcing when opponents bid inconsistently, unless opponents are world class?
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Posted 2005-October-30, 16:21
In the USA 1/Italy round robin match, Bob Hammon bid 5C. They bid on, he bid 6C sounding as if he was insane.
It tempted a double, and made an overtrick.
The Italians at the other table had tried the same thing, but got doubled in 5C and made two overtricks. They were disappointed to lose imps, I imagine.
It tempted a double, and made an overtrick.
The Italians at the other table had tried the same thing, but got doubled in 5C and made two overtricks. They were disappointed to lose imps, I imagine.
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Posted 2005-October-30, 17:25
Thx all who replied 
Still, I would greatly appreciate if you could specify whether your answer would be different if playing
a. all white
b. all red
c. white vs red
Thanks again !
Still, I would greatly appreciate if you could specify whether your answer would be different if playing
a. all white
b. all red
c. white vs red
Thanks again !
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Posted 2005-October-30, 17:48
Chamaco, on Oct 30 2005, 06:25 PM, said:
Thx all who replied
Still, I would greatly appreciate if you could specify whether your answer would be different if playing
a. all white
b. all red
c. white vs red
Thanks again !
Still, I would greatly appreciate if you could specify whether your answer would be different if playing
a. all white
b. all red
c. white vs red
Thanks again !
no, same logic applies.
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Posted 2005-October-30, 18:00
Jlall, on Oct 30 2005, 06:48 PM, said:
Chamaco, on Oct 30 2005, 06:25 PM, said:
Thx all who replied
Still, I would greatly appreciate if you could specify whether your answer would be different if playing
a. all white
b. all red
c. white vs red
Thanks again !
Still, I would greatly appreciate if you could specify whether your answer would be different if playing
a. all white
b. all red
c. white vs red
Thanks again !
no, same logic applies.
Agreed. Vulnerability does not play a big role, since a pass (certainly forcing) would be a slam try.
I fail to understand why LHO did not find 4♥ over 3♥, and now is defending in 5♥. Either he is too smart for me, or the opposite applies.
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Posted 2005-November-01, 14:05
Chamaco, on Oct 30 2005, 11:32 AM, said:
IMPS
We are Vuln vs not
Opps open a first seat preempt 3H.
3H-(p)-p-(3S)
p-(4S)-5H-????
Now, is pass by the 3S bidder forcing or not ?
Would it be different if we were:
......a. all white
......b. all red
......c. we are white and THEY are red
We are Vuln vs not
Opps open a first seat preempt 3H.
3H-(p)-p-(3S)
p-(4S)-5H-????
Now, is pass by the 3S bidder forcing or not ?
Would it be different if we were:
......a. all white
......b. all red
......c. we are white and THEY are red
To me, forcing pass isn't a convention, it's just common sense. If common sense says that they may bid to make, it's not a forcing pass situation, otherwise, it is.
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Posted 2005-November-01, 17:37
Forcing Passes are a matter of agreement, not convention.
Didn't Kantar try to codify these things a few years ago?
In any event, I think that a preempt followed by a sac creates a force on the partnership.
Didn't Kantar try to codify these things a few years ago?
In any event, I think that a preempt followed by a sac creates a force on the partnership.
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