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Posted 2026-July-30, 09:50

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Pickup partner with ten minutes of discussion.
1NT with singleton honour and then a merciful 3NT looked like the least of evils (no XYZ or NMF).

Lead 6, North contributing the K.

Plan your play?
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Posted 2026-July-30, 10:18

I would be in the same contract after opneing 1[diamonds, some partners don't like it when I rebid 1nt with a stiff.

I will hold up Ace for 2 rounds, cash the K then start on clubs.
With no indication to the contrary, I play low to Q.

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Posted 2026-July-30, 12:46

With the lead of a lower spade, it looks like LHO holds the length, if they are 5-3, so I hold up until the third round then run the club 10. If LHO has the Club K I don't think can make so my plan is to keep that hand off lead. If the club 10 loses to the J, I'll win the return in dummy (or hand if a heart) and try the diamond finesse. If that loses, I go back to dummy with the diamond K and lead the club Q. If the king is onside but the clubs are 4-1, I curse the bridge gods and go home.
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Posted 2026-July-30, 14:31

Biting my tongue to leave it up to other contributors.

The moon did not do wonders for blackberries or bridge here, but the figs are suddenly ripe.
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Posted Yesterday, 09:15

The experts seem to be on the fence until the full diagram arrives :)

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I can imagine mikeh will chide me for not asking about NS carding agreements, but at this level it is often unproductive and the chances of a Director being ready to determine misinformation and act upon it are slim anyway. I decided it was better to play South for 5 spades.

So I held up twice, pitched a diamond on A, unblocked K and ran the T (I don't think it can be right to play small to Q, jillybean, not that I was thinking as far ahead as WinM).

3NT-1 was a local bottom, with many in 3NT making (maybe on a hearts lead, which is not unreasonable given the auction). My partner was unhappy but I couldn't see what I did wrong, hence the post.
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Posted Yesterday, 09:18

View Postpescetom, on 2026-July-31, 09:15, said:

The experts seem to be on the fence until the full diagram arrives :)

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I can imagine mikeh will chide me for not asking about NS carding agreements, but at this level it is often unproductive and the chances of a Director being ready to determine misinformation and act upon it are slim anyway. I decided it was better to play South for 5 spades.

So I held up twice, pitched a diamond on A, unblocked A and ran the T (I don't think it can be right to play small to Q, jillybean, not that I was thinking as far ahead as winm).

3NT-1 was a local bottom, with many in 3NT making (maybe on a hearts lead, which is not unreasonable given the auction). My partner was unhappy but I couldn't see what I did wrong, hence the post.

You now get 1/2 MP as I'm there with you.
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Posted Yesterday, 10:15

Maybe you can explain to us why you thought it best not to cash the club Ace first. What holdings does running the 10, without cashing the Ace, pick up?

I went down in a contract by not dropping a stiff king about 40 years ago and haven’t made that same mistake since. Of course, there are often times when it’s better not to cash the ace…it depends on the hand but, here, knowing that we can’t let south on lead I don’t understand your line.
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Posted Yesterday, 14:48

View Postmikeh, on 2026-July-31, 10:15, said:

Maybe you can explain to us why you thought it best not to cash the club Ace first. What holdings does running the 10, without cashing the Ace, pick up?

I went down in a contract by not dropping a stiff king about 40 years ago and haven’t made that same mistake since. Of course, there are often times when it’s better not to cash the ace…it depends on the hand but, here, knowing that we can’t let south on lead I don’t understand your line.


The same line that my partner endorsed, although he does not have anything near your curriculum.
All the same, I would be more easily convinced had you said it a day earlier.
All that I could calculate at the table (quite possibly wrongly) was stiff King 6%.
My instinct (FWIW) was that with clubs KJ in North being 25% a priori and only a little less after learning KQx in spades, cashing the Ace was a dubious prospect at MP.

With the benefit of hindsight, how about this holding?

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Posted Yesterday, 18:11

lol. I guess I’m well known for resulting


edit to remove snark:

To me, the central point, even assuming matchpoints which can distort percentages (sometimes it’s correct to risk a horrible result while that’s very rare at imps), is that one should play so as not to lose a trick to RHO. If he has the King, which is close to 50% if spades are 5-3, then your only hope is the stiff King.

But obviously that’s not the only consideration. Unlikely though it is, either defender could have the stiff king.

Plus if the 10 loses to the Jack, are you really going to run the Queen next?
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Posted Yesterday, 18:14

I would rather open 1NT than have to rebid 1NT - at least I show the correct strength.
Another advantage is that the bidding is easier after opening 1NT when you haven't discussed follow up sequences to a 1NT rebid.
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Posted Yesterday, 21:35

View Postmikeh, on 2026-July-31, 18:11, said:

Plus if the 10 loses to the Jack, are you really going to run the Queen next?

Is there a reason you wouldn't? North is marked with the K in that case, else South would have taken the setting trick.
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Posted Today, 00:28

View Postkerkido, on 2026-July-31, 21:35, said:

Is there a reason you wouldn't? North is marked with the K in that case, else South would have taken the setting trick.

Maybe against you. Nor against 95% of people who play bridge. But if I held Kxx, as south, I’d certainly hope, and my partner would definitely expect, me to duck in tempo. The king is…silly. With AJ10xx he’d cross to dummy and hook clubs. So he lacks one of the AJ and in neither case should I be even thinking about playing the king.

Ok…your point is valid. I’m more used to being asked about the theoretical best line and I agree that there is a psychological reason for playing for a mistake.
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Posted Today, 03:25

Ah. So if you start by leading a spade to the T and it loses to the J, but you wouldn't really run the Q next to pick up North's KJx because South may have ducked from Kxx and given you a chance to make, what would you do instead - play for Qxx diamonds onside?
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Posted Today, 07:04

Well, it’s the club suit we are discussing. And in retrospect it would take strong nerves to go for the second undertrick, but I do believe that ducking with Kxx is the correct play. Not at imps maybe but definitely at mps. And, of course, if spades are 4=4, ducking in tempo is mandatory at imps. The fact that you are so certain that south would never duck the King means that you’re sure to run the Queen next time. Think about it….you seem convinced that nobody would duck, so why should I worry that you’ll change your line of play if north wins the jack?
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Posted Today, 13:18

You're ignoring the question. You asked this:

 mikeh, on 2026-July-31, 18:11, said:

Plus if the 10 loses to the Jack, are you really going to run the Queen next?

That sounds like your answer would be 'no'. If your answer is 'no', what are you suggesting declarer should do instead (in the hypothetical where you decided to start by running the T), that is better than picking up KJx in North?

If your answer to your own question was yes, seems a strange question to ask. (And if it were yes, the question becomes, is the gain by picking up a stiff king better than the loss by no longer making this case - it may well be, I don't know, but you seemed to just ignore it and I don't know why.)
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