[jillybean]

First from tonight's team game.

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[mike777]

Dbl

[P_Marlowe]

I agree, X.

You dont want to hear 4S from p, and 5C should show 5+ clubs.

[apollo1201]

A difficult case. We would need Mike analysis.

What do we know?

Partner promised 5+ S and 10+ HCP so I do not think we are in a FP situation. N initial pass makes it likely, though, that partner has more than that and will bid again. But we should bid our hand and not partner s.

What do our calls mean?

5C should probably show at least 5 cards, 5D likely requires a stronger suit but at least it has no holes. Both very unilateral calls.

4NT, 64 minors or BW with S trumps? We cannot really confirm S in a forcing way should we have a different hand.

X is values but it is 100% penalties? Pass is nothing to say, usually flattish weakish.

None of that suits us well…

What are we making?

Partner rates to be 6133, 6124, 6223, 5134 or 5233 (the worst case, the sg H opposite is not 100% guaranteed at these vulnerabilities). Depending on honor structure and strength, contracts from 4S to 6m are real possibilities, while 4HX would usually not score more.

Yeah, could be 1100 with all finesses working compared to a lay down 6m not findable in real life. Sth like S to A, SQ covered and ruffed, DQ forcing K from dummy to partner who cashes SJ and we find the CQ, no one ruffing our 5 minor tricks, and the HA being the 9th trick.

If we pass, we will be a bit nervous when partner bids 4S (could be the best spot with a 6-cd sequence or a 7-bagger). If they bid 5 of any minor, we will raise to 5 hoping to manage it. If they X, we will tend to respect this.

So maybe pass leaves our options more open?

[jillybean]

I like your analysis. The only trouble is, after thinking this long and then passing, your are going to have TFD at your table.