[mike777]

Is kickback alertable?
Is exclusion RKC alertable?

I always have, but don't know if that is breaking current rules?

ACBL land

Just asking.

[awm]

mike777, on 2025-July-19, 21:47, said:

Is kickback alertable?
Is exclusion RKC alertable?

I always have, but don't know if that is breaking current rules?

ACBL land

Just asking.

Last I checked the rule was:

1. Alertable if in the first round of the auction or behind screens.
2. Otherwise delayed alert (alert/explain when the auction is over).

The above applies to most artificial bids above 3NT (i.e. splinters, 4♣ gerber, minorwood, etc).

[Cyberyeti]

awm, on 2025-July-20, 06:04, said:

Last I checked the rule was:

1. Alertable if in the first round of the auction or behind screens.
2. Otherwise delayed alert (alert/explain when the auction is over).

The above applies to most artificial bids above 3NT (i.e. splinters, 4♣ gerber, minorwood, etc).

If it's the same as UK most artificial SUIT bids, NT bids above 3N never alerted on first round of auction so 3♣-4N (4♦ would have been KB, 4N is exclusion with a void ♦) is not alertable.

[mike777]

Thanks

[pescetom]

 Cyberyeti, on 2025-July-20, 07:31, said:

If it's the same as UK most artificial SUIT bids, NT bids above 3N never alerted on first round of auction so 3♣-4N (4♦ would have been KB, 4N is exclusion with a void ♦) is not alertable.

Sounds illogical to me.

In WBFland (including Italy) artificial bids (including an artificial NT) are alerted, but not above 3NT except in the first round of bidding (which does necessary coincide with the first round of auction).

[jillybean]

mike777, on 2025-July-20, 10:33, said:

Thanks

Many will wonder what the hell you are doing if you describe bids, or keycard sequences after the auction has ended.

[Cyberyeti]

pescetom, on 2025-July-20, 10:55, said:

Sounds illogical to me.

In WBFland (including Italy) artificial bids (including an artificial NT) are alerted, but not above 3NT except in the first round of bidding (which does necessary coincide with the first round of auction).

Too much 1N-4N if partner alerts he's giving a blackwood response, if he doesn't he's bidding a 5 card suit I suspect

[pescetom]

Cyberyeti, on 2025-July-20, 12:16, said:

Too much 1N-4N if partner alerts he's giving a blackwood response, if he doesn't he's bidding a 5 card suit I suspect

What's wrong with alert if not natural with a balanced hand too strong for 3N?
He would have to alert both.

[pescetom]

Cyberyeti, on 2025-July-20, 12:16, said:

Too much 1N-4N if partner alerts he's giving a blackwood response, if he doesn't he's bidding a 5 card suit I suspect

Despicable, but under WBF regulations both would require an alert.

[mike777]

jillybean, on 2025-July-20, 11:40, said:

Many will wonder what the hell you are doing if you describe bids, or keycard sequences after the auction has ended.

If:
1h-4s=long spades but
1H-4nt=old fashion blackwood, not rkc but
1h-2h
4nt=void in spades but
1h=2h
4s=rkc in hearts

hope that was clear but now will not alert any of it

smile

[jillybean]

mike777, on 2025-July-20, 14:39, said:

If:
1h-4s=long spades but
1H-4nt=old fashion blackwood, not rkc but
1h-2h
4nt=void in spades but
1h=2h
4s=rkc in hearts

hope that was clear but now will not alert any of it

smile

I doubt that the opps could convince me there was damage from non alerts in any of those auctions.

Please report back on the reaction you receive when you explain all that at the end of the auction.

smile

[mike777]

Often they just don't ask when I alerted.
Guess from now on no alerts.

[blackshoe]

If you alert what the regulation says to alert, and don't alert what the regulation says not to alert, at least the director should side with you if there's any dispute.