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Bidding at the margins Does weak vs strong NT make a difference?

#21 User is online   mike777 

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Posted 2025-February-20, 14:16

so
1d-1h
1nt-2d
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1nt is 15-17?
2d is XYZ, artificial and gf if permitted

expect to end up in 3nt or 4h
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Posted 2025-February-20, 16:06

View Postpescetom, on 2025-February-20, 07:12, said:

Over 3♥ I bid 4♣ looking for spades control.



View Postmw64ahw, on 2025-February-20, 07:58, said:

East has a ♠ control



View Postjillybean, on 2025-February-20, 08:05, said:

Did he bypass a diamond control or are we assuming diamond control from the opening?


Neither, using Italian style indifferentiated control-bids.
He bids 4♦ which shows control of spades and says nothing about control of diamonds.
Now I bid 4♥ which denies control of diamonds.
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Posted 2025-February-20, 19:06

View Postpescetom, on 2025-February-20, 16:06, said:

Neither, using Italian style indifferentiated control-bids.
He bids 4♦ which shows control of spades and says nothing about control of diamonds.
Now I bid 4♥ which denies control of diamonds.

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Posted 2025-February-20, 19:55

View Postjillybean, on 2025-February-20, 19:06, said:

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Well, it seems logical enough, and just the same as last train. Skipping 3♠ to bid 4♣ is screaming at partner about a spade control, so partner needs a way to show it, ideally below game. If they do show it and you still sign off, it must mean you were looking for something else as well.
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Posted 2025-February-20, 21:18

View Postmw64ahw, on 2025-February-20, 09:46, said:

Does the 3♠ bid say anything about shape or honour concentration?
No, just 4-5 majors and GF.

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