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Posted 2025-February-19, 20:15

My co-director and I are sharing sitting in for a missing player today, so no fancy agreements.
I sit down and pick up this hand.


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Posted 2025-February-19, 23:51

I'm claiming my major first :) - anything else is planning way too far ahead for me
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Posted Yesterday, 01:07

1

If opps bid 1 and partner does not neg DBL, I will rebid 2 but am happy to pass if advancer raises 1 to 2 or higher.
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Posted Yesterday, 01:39

Washington Standard players would scoff at the suggestion that this is a problem as they have an automatic 1 opener. I've read that with 0=5=0=8 that they would still bid 1 since if you don't open 1 of a major you don't have a 5 card suit.

Playing a 2/1 style, I would open 1 and rebid clubs if given the chance.

If you open 1, what do you bid over a 1 or 1NT response? You've got 2 mediocre long suits, and not nearly the playing strength to reverse to 2. Opposite a 1 response, you're facing a potential misfit so getting your hearts in could be problematic. Opposite 1NT the chance of a misfit is lower, but getting to hearts is just as problematic. Your best plan of action is to hope that partner responds 1.
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Posted Yesterday, 07:51

Since I'm yet to take up W.S, I decided to open 1C. Opening 1H and treating it as a 55 hand is perhaps better.


The auction quickly heated up

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“Let me put it in words you might understand,” he said. “Mr. Trump, f–k off!” Anders Vistisen
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Posted Yesterday, 08:14

View Postjillybean, on 2025-February-20, 07:51, said:

Since I'm yet to take up W.S, I decided to open 1C. Opening 1H and treating it as a 55 hand is perhaps better.

The auction quickly heated up



I get best of both worlds here, we play X as exactly 4 hearts when 3 suits have been bid, so 2 shows 5-6 and not necessarily extras.
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Posted Yesterday, 08:51

That's a nice treatment.
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Posted Yesterday, 18:00



North woke up in time for the second and subsequent rounds of bidding.
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Posted Yesterday, 19:20

1H-1NT
2C-2NT
4C-5C
6C :rolleyes:

I cheated and put it through a 2/1 engine - no interference from NS at all

Sad outcome
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Posted Today, 00:43

View Postjillybean, on 2025-February-20, 18:00, said:



North woke up in time for the second and subsequent rounds of bidding.

I was thinking about West's 3rd bid. I wonder what of the below is in line with good theory:

1. If East is a competent bidder, East will not hold a 4-card Heart suit or a 4-card Spade suit (or both) if East has 6-9 HCPs. One prefers to respond 1M (not 1) holding a min hand and 4-3-4-2, 3-4-4-2, 4-2-4-3, 2-4-4,3 shapes.
2. To me, the 3 raise is most certainly a 3-card (not a 2-card) raise. The bid also confirms East's HCP strength in the sub-game (6-10) range.
3. They (NS) appear to have a 10- or 11-card fit in Spades. We cannot be sure which side makes how many tricks.

So I think I would jump to 5 instead of simply bidding 4. Our side may not make it, but IF we don't, there is a fair chance that their side will make 4 if we allow them to bid it.
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Posted Today, 08:52

The bidding is all messed up.
North?/South forgot to bid their hands.

South jumps to two spades
North jumps to four spades
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Posted Today, 10:58

View Postshyams, on 2025-February-21, 00:43, said:

I was thinking about West's 3rd bid. I wonder what of the below is in line with good theory:

1. If East is a competent bidder, East will not hold a 4-card Heart suit or a 4-card Spade suit (or both) if East has 6-9 HCPs. One prefers to respond 1M (not 1) holding a min hand and 4-3-4-2, 3-4-4-2, 4-2-4-3, 2-4-4,3 shapes.
2. To me, the 3 raise is most certainly a 3-card (not a 2-card) raise. The bid also confirms East's HCP strength in the sub-game (6-10) range.
3. They (NS) appear to have a 10- or 11-card fit in Spades. We cannot be sure which side makes how many tricks.

So I think I would jump to 5 instead of simply bidding 4. Our side may not make it, but IF we don't, there is a fair chance that their side will make 4 if we allow them to bid it.

I like your analysis. Not knowing the style of these players, I have to make a lot of assumptions and took the low road.
5 opposite a regular partner looks like a good bid.
"And no matter what methods you play, it is essential, for anyone aspiring to learn to be a good player, to learn the importance of bidding shape properly." MikeH
“Let me put it in words you might understand,” he said. “Mr. Trump, f–k off!” Anders Vistisen
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