[pescetom]

Interesting. Of course it's a big and varied world, and some of that looks pretty strange from here, where clubs rarely have owners (although some elected Presidents seem to consider themselves owners or indeed divine creators) and Directors are usually certified and paid (although not much). Over here there is almost never a DIC at local or regional level, so if you can't convince the Director to change her decision you can only appeal it (and doing so requires jumping through a few hoops that are not always clear to those who do not study the regulations). In practice it is very rare that a club level decision is appealed, more frequent at regional level. As you say, there would probably be pushback from the club against someone who did this repeatedly, the RA also takes a dim view of appeals without merit (although it can also be harsh on Directors who mess up).

[blackshoe]

As far as "A Reputation" is concerned, frankly, Scarlett, I don't give a damn. And that's all I have to say.

[jillybean]

Gone with the Wind was released 84 years ago, this month and I see it still comes in handy.

[mycroft]

Now that, blackshoe, is the least surprising thing I've heard in some time. (1)

But it's still a thing one needs to know about and put into one's own personal decision, in case they have a different value set from you (or me!)

(1) this is not intended as an insult even if it's not the decision I would make or would recommend others make(2). Just one of two screamingly obvious things about you from your posting here.
(2) not that you would care about my attempt if it was intended as such :-).

[blackshoe]

Only 2? :-)

[Zelandakh]

smerriman, on 2024-December-13, 12:48, said:

Yes, the alert is UI. If South freely bids hearts

Just a quibble perhaps unrelated to the ruling but "freely bid" could be a complete misrepresentation. There are 2 ways of playing here - XX as relay "bid your suit" and others showing an own suit or XX as "I want to play in my suit" and 2♥ as ParadoX with both minors and typically ~2 hearts. You would need to enquire further about the methods in use before making such a judgment about North's continuations.

[smerriman]

Thus the word 'if'

[Ranmit]

mycroft, on 2024-December-16, 10:54, said:

As North, I'd be accepting A- on this hand (especially if the auction is correct and you talked them out of their +120 into a +100 that "should have been" +420!) just to avoid any discussion on "so, I showed a 1-suited hand, and partner said 'don't care, want to play [your 6-card suit]'. How many tricks can the 1NT-on-stiff-honour opposite void take, and how high should I bid now?" Even if it turns out there was no use of UI for a player "at your level", or the AI from the auction made it "obvious" that partner doesn't have a mittful of hearts, or "oh, but we play Paradox Responses to partner's 'one-suit', she is happy in 3♦ if I have those", or...

Why would I want to avoid that discussion though? While I dont think any person would rule that N would go to 4H with that hand unless forced by the bidding - even if they do, 4HX-2 is -300. Since all other tables were in 4S, 4HX-2 or 3HX-1 are not materially different.

(Off-topic): But the organiser of this club is quite a nice person - they immediately accepted our appeal and also the revision correctly overturning the TD's original ruling. Most other players here are also friendly - so while this is not my usual club, I wouldnt mind playing here again if I am in the neighborhood. And if I get A Reputation for wanting the laws to be followed if the TD is called against us (Note: This is very different from being trigger happy and calling the TD for minor infractions by others), then I agree with Blackshoe's viewpoint

[pescetom]

Ranmit, on 2024-December-19, 00:59, said:

Why would I want to avoid that discussion though? While I dont think any person would rule that N would go to 4H with that hand unless forced by the bidding - even if they do, 4HX-2 is -300. Since all other tables were in 4S, 4HX-2 or 3HX-1 are not materially different.

(Off-topic): But the organiser of this club is quite a nice person - they immediately accepted our appeal.

Going to 4H opposite a mere preference between majors is quite different from going to 4H opposite a bid saying "I'm not interested in your six card suit, let's play my hearts instead", of course. But it's what your peers would do in the circumstances explained to them that would count.

The off topic I would love to hear after all this is "Thanks all for your help and you prompted me to write our convention card: here is the draft, any suggestions are welcome"

[Gerardo]

pescetom, on 2024-December-17, 12:24, said:

... and Directors are usually certified and paid (although not much). Over here there is almost never a DIC at local or regional level, so if you can't convince the Director to change her decision you can only appeal it (and doing so requires jumping through a few hoops that are not always clear to those who do not study the regulations). In practice it is very rare that a club level decision is appealed, more frequent at regional level. As you say, there would probably be pushback from the club against someone who did this repeatedly, the RA also takes a dim view of appeals without merit (although it can also be harsh on Directors who mess up).

In ACBL, club directors need to pass a test (and are usually paid (also not much) by session).
When I did (Jan 2010) it was quite easy, open book, at the club, several people doing it. I did it mainly to be able to direct games on BBO in case of need (very different landscape back then), though I directed a few games at clubs over the years.
My wife (who did the club TD test with me), followed up with the tourney TD test. It was quite harder, In her case, it was done at home, she was sent the questions and a due date.
I don't remember seeing an Appeal at the club, I do remember one at the next level (sectional), in little more than 10 years.

Was not involved in directing back in Argentina, but my impression as a player is that it was similar.

[Ranmit]

pescetom, on 2024-December-19, 04:33, said:

The off topic I would love to hear after all this is "Thanks all for your help and you prompted me to write our convention card: here is the draft, any suggestions are welcome"

Oh totally! I thought that went without saying .
We participated in a game yesterday (The adv of the holidays is that one can play on weekdays as well ) - Different club, ~ same people. We absolutely took a printed CC and made sure to offer opponents on all tables a chance to look at it.

Thanks again!!